Originally Posted By Mr X ***Let alone what the other churches did. But that info never seems to come up much here-what a surprise*** Not true. I've brought up the complicity of other churches on that particular issue many times, particularly the huge amount of Catholic "soft money" sent in support of the Mormon crusade.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Other churches were not blameless, but read #2 again: ""It was eventually learned that the Mormon Church coordinated contributions amounting to more than half of the $45 million dollar Yes on Prop 8 campaign, as well as contributing non-monetarily to the campaign by sending Mormon campaign volunteers through the Church's "mission" program and offering use of church ward (parish) property throughout the state. " Mormons are what-2% of CA's population, yet contributed more than half the anti-equality funds?There's a reason for all the attention. But yes, other churches were not blameless, except those (like mine I'm happy to say) that supported equality.
Originally Posted By Donny Mormons are against gay marriage and in the end the majority of voters were against gay marriage as well.
Originally Posted By Labuda "except those (like mine I'm happy to say) that supported equality." Mind if I ask what flavor of church is yours, Dabob? I'm definitely interested in learning about a church that actually goes for the whole "love thy neighbor" thing instead of excluding a large portion of them like most organized religion.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "183 NEW! Donny Fri 6/25/2010 4:39a Mormons are against gay marriage and in the end the majority of voters were against gay marriage as well." In 1967 when SCOTUS finally said interracial marriage needed to be legal everywhere, a majority of a Americans were against it, and in the mostly southern states where it was illegal, it was large majorities. Basin equality under the law should not be UP for a vote.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Mormons are against gay marriage and in the end the majority of voters were against gay marriage as well.<< And most southerners were for segregation. For the umpteenth time, there's a reason we don't base the civil rights of others on a vote. Popularity doesn't excuse Mormon bigotry.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Labuda, I belong to a Disciples of Christ church, which is a sister church to the UCC, both of which marry gay couples, and it's where we got married. A still-too-small but growing number of churches is coming around. In some cases the whole denomimation and in others (Episcopal, Quaker, Presbyterian, reform Judaism) it's up to the individual church or synagogue.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 I am Lutheran and the the Lutheran Church now allows gay ministers and ministers have the choice of which couples they will marry, gay or straight. The "love thy neighbor" and the actual teachings of Christ (you know, non-judgment, compassion, and helping those in need)take precedence over bashing anyone. The basic philosophy is none of are perfect, therefore none of us have the right to judge anyone else. It is mostly the Evangelical type churches that feel they have the right to judge everyone else.
Originally Posted By Pal of Minnie "It is mostly the Evangelical type churches that feel they have the right to judge everyone else." That does not seem to be the case in regards to 8. According to the dictionary: "Evangelicalism is a Protestant Christian Religion" and there were certainly Non Protestant religions that supplied funds for 8 besides the Mormons-and yet I fail to see them described here as a "cult".
Originally Posted By Pal of Minnie According to Wikipedia some of the groups that supported 8 by way of funds and time were: The Roman Catholic Church, as well as a Roman Catholic lay fraternal organization, the Knights of Columbus, staunchly supported the measure. Other religious organizations that supported Proposition 8 include the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, Eastern Orthodox Church,a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson, American Family Association, Focus on the Family and the National Organization for Marriage. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, also endorsed the measure.
Originally Posted By ecdc I don't think the church is a cult by a long shot. But I also don't think the church has much of a leg to stand on when they're attacked. You don't work tirelessly to strip people of the same rights you enjoy, then act like you're the victim in the whole thing, and end up smelling too good.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo <<Mormons are against gay marriage and in the end the majority of voters were against gay marriage as well.>> One of the greatest concerns the Founders---particularly James Madison---had was the threat of majoritarian tyranny, or the ability that the majority possesses to trounce minorities. Much of the Constitution was written with this problem expressly in mind, including the bicameral legislature, checks and balances, the EC, the Bill of Rights, etc... So, forgive me when I say that touting "majority will" when discriminating against an electoral minority is a bunch of bunk. As one of my seminar professors used to say: "There is nothing more democratic than a mob."
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<DVC_dad, I'm confused. Is this clone you? Your son? A total stranger???>>> Nah its me, I just couldn't remember my password. Good ol Dave to the rescue!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I think this was the last thread Blue DevilSF participated in. Post 76 was likely his last one, he apparently passed awy less than two weeks later. He sure did go out fighting.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Speaking of which, SPP, you said this: <<"Gee, thanks. But, honestly, since your job is what it is, SPP, can you give an educated guess as to how long we may have to wait?">> <Probably 2-4 weeks.> That post was about 6 weeks ago. To tell you the truth, it slipped off my radar screen that this decision was even imminent. I wonder when it will come down?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I was wondering the same thing. All I keep hearing is that it could be "any day now".
