Originally Posted By DAR Wow another LDS thread that turns into Josh against everyone else....I am shocked.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "102 NEW! DAR Tue 6/22/2010 2:41p Wow another LDS thread that turns into Josh against everyone else....I am shocked." Well, Josh is the only one to defend the indefensible. And now, the officially found-to-be illegal.
Originally Posted By DAR But what's the point none of you are going to change his mind and he won't ever change yours.
Originally Posted By gadzuux If only it were a question of changing his mind. Because we've been through this topic so exhaustively with Josh we already know where he stands, and it isn't so much against gay marriage but FOR his church. He will follow where ever they lead without question. And that's where this dialog has gone - the gay marriage issue is just a backdrop for the larger matter of a blind obedience to authority.
Originally Posted By gadzuux And something I don't get . . . >> the blacks and the priesthood issue was much more cloudy than he likes to think. Can you show me a comparable Church document to the Proclmation on the Family about the blacks issue? << I'm obviously not familiar with this document -why do you ask? Is it more 'cloudy' and vague than usual for a mormon proclamation? Does it seek to justify the church's maintaining an untenable position? Does it seek to absolve the church of responsibility for their own actions? Just guessing here.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder From way back in post 40, because Josh is still ducking the question: "The issue is more complicated than that. It's a social issue that will be determined by courts, votes, etc." Incredibly incorrect. It's NOT more complicated than that. You're ducking the question. Moreover, by virtue of the involvement of the Mormon Church, it goes beyond simply a legal and voting process, so your own church contradicts your answer. The church is imposing its religious doctrine by applying so much money and effort into the issue. You've said in this thread you God informs you on this issue. Therein lies the contradiction. Your religion, because thinks itself right among all others, imposed its view on this issue here in California via the voting process. Therefore, I'll ask the question again and we all expect an answer. Why should a Mormon view trump all others?
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Well, Josh is the only one to defend the indefensible. And now, the officially found-to-be illegal> What am I defending that is soon to be illegal?
Originally Posted By utahjosh < blind obedience to authority.> It's educated, though-out faith in God and His Prophets. . But you can call it whatever you want.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Why should a Mormon view trump all others?> I'll vote according to my conscience. You are free to do the same. When you vote for or support a rule of law, aren't you saying your point of view trumps all others?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "When you vote for or support a rule of law, aren't you saying your point of view trumps all others?" That's not the question. You're still ducking. Why should a Mormon view trump another religion's view? It's all the same God, right? Why impose a Mormon view on California, who didn't ask for it? Why not just impose on other Mormons? Why do Mormons inist on baptizing people who ared dead, weren't Mormons, and would be mortified that Mormons did that? What makes Mormons feel they should trump all over views?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "<Well, Josh is the only one to defend the indefensible. And now, the officially found-to-be illegal> What am I defending that is soon to be illegal?" See post one. Already found to be illegal.
Originally Posted By Labuda "<Well, Josh is the only one to defend the indefensible. And now, the officially found-to-be illegal> What am I defending that is soon to be illegal?" It's not soon-to-be illegal, Josh. Your church already has broken the law. that's why this thread was started.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Why should a Mormon view trump another religion's view? It's all the same God, right? Why impose a Mormon view on California, who didn't ask for it? Why not just impose on other Mormons? Why do Mormons inist on baptizing people who ared dead, weren't Mormons, and would be mortified that Mormons did that? What makes Mormons feel they should trump all over views?> That's a lot of questions, and not all of them are good questions.
Originally Posted By utahjosh The Church said they didn't realize something had to be submitted every day, the fixed the mistake, admitted it, and paid the penalty. Who's defending illegality?
Originally Posted By Labuda "That's a lot of questions, and not all of them are good questions." ...and you're still refusing to answer any of them, Josh.
