Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>*Glares at Main Street Electrical Prehistoric*<<<< Yeah, meanwhile, SpectroTragic should continue limping and flickering down Main Street....
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I'd trade you Fantillusion for Spectro, or I would love to have MSEP back. But if we could nick anyone's parade, I would love to see Dreamlights in Paris.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Okay- so let's see I'm caught up now. Tear down the tiki room because it's old hat (even though some of WDW's toughest critics here still like it-)- so let's tear down the Louvre , dynamite the Mount Rushmore scupltures etc for the same reason- just silly. Good is good regardless of age or else someone would be tearing me down about now. Captain EO sucks because it's just as good on youtube..really ? Yes the acting is less than academy quality but look who made this attraction film. It is far from all bad- and had crowds when I was there.. as far as being an attraction only because of people's loyalty to an icon...well isn't that part of Disney's overall attractiveness ? I hope that they ADD many more things before they start subtracting anything
Originally Posted By Expo_Seeker40 Whoa, go away and the birdies are now up to 63 posts! Just to clarify, I am happy the old show is replacing new management, but because the original show is preserved in California, couldn't they have given FL a tiki room 2.0 if you will? A new tropical/poly show in the spirit of the original. That way the original is in CA but a newer version of it is in FL? I'll certainly enjoy going into the tiki room now when I go to the MK, but just copying the DL 2005 version because seems.........lazy...to me.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "OK... I'll bite. Please tell me why Carousel of Progress and the Tiki Room should not be considered Classics? " I said "anything". I wasn't specifically referring to those attractions in particular. One of the basic principles of the original park was that it was to grow and evolve over time. Building attractions and letting them be for time eternal ignores one of most important aspects of what DL (and presumably the MK) is supposed to be about. The return of the Tiki Room is symbolic of what is wrong with the mindset of the people who manage Disney's parks. It's clear that they are taking a formulaic approach to development and are rarely interested in innovating. "Tear down the tiki room because it's old hat (even though some of WDW's toughest critics here still like it-)- so let's tear down the Louvre , dynamite the Mount Rushmore scupltures etc for the same reason- just silly." How can you seriously compare the Tiki Room to the Louvre?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 if the only reason to tear it down is it's old hat - all is fair game. are they comparable to each other- absolutely not- but to the concept of why tear it down what's the difference.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "if the only reason to tear it down is it's old hat - all is fair game." In my way of thinking it is all fair game. To me bringing this show back is a step backwards.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I am happy the old show is replacing new management, but because the original show is preserved in California, couldn't they have given FL a tiki room 2.0 if you will?" Exactly. Of course I'd prefer something more ambitious, but as you said this plan just seems lazy.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin I thought tiki room 2.0 was what they thought they were doing with under new management... I would support them doing old tiki with new technology...think what they could do with the lanae.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I hope that they ADD many more things before they start subtracting anything<<< This. Disney needs to expand and renew, not take away. Only way to amplify the creative process.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> I'll certainly enjoy going into the tiki room now when I go to the MK, but just copying the DL 2005 version because seems.........lazy...to me.<<<< It is. Bit it's also getting rid of a terrible old show and bringing back better quality. I support that, before anything.
Originally Posted By MousDad I still don't think this situation with the Tiki Room is a case-in-point for the argument of "needing to move forward" or "lacking imagination," simply because of the context. (Whereas that argument could be made in the case of EO.) But this was a different situation, given the "unplanned" nature of things. If this were a normally planned attraction overhaul, then I would definitely be more concerned that they took the easy way out. But since it appears they were compelled (by the merciful gods) to do something, they could only do what was available, as I'm assuming there were no plans in the pipeline for a new show. Meaning, rebuild UNM, or bring in either Tokyo or Anaheim. So assuming those were the only options on the table, I think this was the right choice. If there were elaborate plans for an awesome new 3.0 already available, and they balked on them - then yeah, they screwed up. But, Skipper correct if I'm wrong, I don't think that was the case.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "It is. Bit it's also getting rid of a terrible old show and bringing back better quality. I support that, before anything." Maybe I'm too cynical, and this isn't a judgement of your opinion, but something tells me that this is exactly the attitude that they are banking on.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>If there were elaborate plans for an awesome new 3.0 already available, and they balked on them - then yeah, they screwed up. But, Skipper correct if I'm wrong, I don't think that was the case.<<< And it's also possible that version 3 could have sucked. This is guaranteed quality. After suffering through UNM for 13 years, this is needed. V3 can wait a few years.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Knowing Disney I bet it'll be more than just a few years, lol.
Originally Posted By juicer I wonder if the show will be exactly as it was before "new management" - Maybe it will be enhanced?
Originally Posted By DlandDug "Enhanced" as in what they did to Imagination? No thanks. With Tropical Serenade, we're dealing with a mighty small footprint and an attraction which doesn't seem to engender very high expectations any more. In fact, that was pretty much the way it was with the Tiki Room at Disneyland for several years before the 2005 update. That turned out to be a smart move-- a tired attraction from the past has been given the luster it deserves. Whether it was the most imaginative or ambitious decision is really neither here nor there.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 I think, much like the OP said, that this is simply going to turn out like it was in the late 80s/early 90s. WDW is so big now and so many people spend so much money that they want to 'ride all the rides' ... taking the time out to see passive AA-filled shows is going to be an uphill battle no matter the situation. This is very different from the Anaheim dynamic. At WDW, the 30 minutes can be spent waiting to ride BTMRR to get pics of the falling rocks that have been disguised as a black tarp for over a year ... or another go on Splash Mountain to see how few effects work ... or to simply 'hop' on over to DAK or EPCOT ... Tiki Room worked well in the 70s and 80s, but once WDW exploded it never recovered. And there just aren't enough fanbois to keep packing this thing six months down the line. Of course, none of this would have happened to begin with if there hadn't of been a fire anyway ... I may see it and enjoy it, but I have been told that I am not the type of guest WDW wants anymore.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "With Tropical Serenade, we're dealing with a mighty small footprint and an attraction which doesn't seem to engender very high expectations any more." The footprint is somewhat irrelevant Doug given the fact that Disney will literally move mountains when the appropriate resources and the will to innovate are given priority. I'm not complaining about the return of the Tiki show at the MK as much as I am about that park's general state of staleness in its repertoire of attractions and shows. To me the resurrection of the original Tiki Room simply underscores the problem. At least a guest at DL has the benefit of a revamped Tiki show in addition to all the interesting NEW things being done by Disney in and around that park.
Originally Posted By leobloom I don't mind bringing the Tiki Room back. Just as the Under New Management didn't ruin my day, the new/old show isn't going to make my day. What would make my day? A new cutting-edge E-ticket. New nighttime show. New anything impressive. Tiki Room is harmless, but bringing back Uncle Walt's classic bird show won't have me rushing to the MK in August to see it.
