Let's all sleep while the birdies sing...

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

>>>Knowing Disney I bet it'll be more than just a few years, lol.<<<<

Yes, of course. Who knows, though. EO should get the boot "soon"...

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

>>>WDW is so big now and so many people spend so much money that they want to 'ride all the rides' ... taking the time out to see passive AA-filled shows is going to be an uphill battle no matter the situation.<<<

I don't understand how this claim is made when things like CBJ, AA, and HoP pull their own.

Even CoP, from time to time, plays to good crowds and it's the most dated of the bunch.


There are a whole slew of first time visitors that end up seeing these attractions and liking them along the way. While most go only to rides, there's a large group that DO get side tracked by these smaller attractions.

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

And that, coupled with the "in the know" group of fans/visitors visiting it, plus some promotion, should make for a nice cushion of viewership over the next few years. Granted, it might dwindle, but I expect it to do OK. Things are changing at Disney, and in the way people see things.

We are coming to a point where there are so many guests, because of so many hotel rooms, that pretty much everything garners some sort of ridership.

Granted, there are still huge losses in things like JII, or SGE, but with a "air" of being new to it, I think the Tiki Room will be just fine.

 

Originally Posted By leobloom

>> I don't understand how this claim is made when things like CBJ, AA, and HoP pull their own.

Even CoP, from time to time, plays to good crowds and it's the most dated of the bunch. <<

Maybe some (most?) of those people are going to the shows not knowing what to expect? You know the guest mentality: "Oh, there's a line. Dunno what it's for but let's go join." I like AA shows, but I also think most of them could be greatly improved with new animatronics, better upkeep, etc.

 

Originally Posted By Bolna

<<And that, coupled with the "in the know" group of fans/visitors visiting it, plus some promotion, should make for a nice cushion of viewership over the next few years.>>

I think some promotion could really improve attendance at the WDW Tiki Room. In my experience it suffers from its location. When I took my fellow travelers to the Tiki Room in the past, they were always surprised that there was an attraction at all. None had noticed it despite walking past it a few times before. The entrance is kind of hidden behind the carpet ride and there are so many fronts all along the walkway in Adventureland which are empty that you start to get used to it and don't expect anything to be there. Of course neither the emptiness nor the carpets will change, but some more attention, maybe even being printed on the guide maps could really help?

 

Originally Posted By DlandDug

>>In my experience it suffers from its location.<<

Great observation. The Tiki Room in Disneyland was languishing behind a wall. Originally this was to ensure that guests couldn't watch the pre-show until they had first given up their ticket.

Worse, the tall tower that heralded the attraction was allowed to deteriorate so badly that it finally collapsed in a Santa Ana wind and was never replaced. All that, combined with the general air of neglect caused people to walk right past the entrance on their way to Indy and the Jungle Cruise.

Smartest move of the refurb was the removal of the wall in favor of a more open fence, and the placement of colorful floral arrangements and brightly blazing tiki torches on the roof. Incredibly, there were some guests who thought a new attraction had been added at the entrance to Adventureland!

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

>>>Maybe some (most?) of those people are going to the shows not knowing what to expect? You know the guest mentality: "Oh, there's a line. Dunno what it's for but let's go join." I like AA shows, but I also think most of them could be greatly improved with new animatronics, better upkeep, etc.<<<

Yep. That and they see the sign/building and get interested.

And I agree. They could use some love.

 

Originally Posted By HokieSkipper

<<I don't understand how this claim is made when things like CBJ, AA, and HoP pull their own.>>

If by pull their own, you mean play to seats that are a quarter full, then yes, they pull their own.

 

Originally Posted By HokieSkipper

Again, not knocking any of those shows. I love AA and CBJ. But they're far from popular.

 

Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

Boy, people sure can be dumb. Doug that reminds me of a story I heard once of a guy who went to the MK and spent the entire day in Tomorrowland thinking that was the entire park.

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

>>>I think some promotion could really improve attendance at the WDW Tiki Room. In my experience it suffers from its location. When I took my fellow travelers to the Tiki Room in the past, they were always surprised that there was an attraction at all. None had noticed it despite walking past it a few times before. The entrance is kind of hidden behind the carpet ride and there are so many fronts all along the walkway in Adventureland which are empty that you start to get used to it and don't expect anything to be there. Of course neither the emptiness nor the carpets will change, but some more attention, maybe even being printed on the guide maps could really help<<<<

Agreed, Carpets gotta go, and there needs to be more aesthetics that make the Tiki Room more apparent.


Barker Bird, for one...

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

>>>If by pull their own, you mean play to seats that are a quarter full, then yes, they pull their own.<<<<

During busy times of the year, they at least play to half full audiences.

Only CoP has problems.

 

Originally Posted By DDMAN26

In world that's constantly go go go go, everything has to new everything has to be hip everything has to be trendy, attractions like CoP, the original Tiki Room and Country Bear Jamboree are nice little reminders of just stepping back, taking a deep breath and just relaxing a little.

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

Exactly. WDW needs that attitude.

 

Originally Posted By RoadTrip

Last couple of times I've been at WDW the HoP was well attended... I would say at least 60% full and this was in January. I think Obama becoming president has resulted in greater attendance.

When I was in DL during December 2009 the Tiki room was packed to capacity. Of course the LP mini-meet being held there perhaps had something to do with that... ;-)

 

Originally Posted By MPierce

>> I don't understand how this claim is made when things like CBJ, AA, and HoP pull their own.

Even CoP, from time to time, plays to good crowds and it's the most dated of the bunch.


There are a whole slew of first time visitors that end up seeing these attractions and liking them along the way. While most go only to rides, there's a large group that DO get side tracked by these smaller attractions. <<

They are a dying breed EE. I really don't think the majority of younger folks care that much about them anymore. There just isn't a novelty to AA's like when they were first designed.

 

Originally Posted By MPierce

>> Granted, there are still huge losses in things like JII, or SGE, but with a "air" of being new to it, I think the Tiki Room will be just fine. <<

You're ever the optomist when it comes to the classics EE.

 

Originally Posted By MPierce

>> In world that's constantly go go go go, everything has to new everything has to be hip everything has to be trendy, attractions like CoP, the original Tiki Room and Country Bear Jamboree are nice little reminders of just stepping back, taking a deep breath and just relaxing a little. <<

>> Exactly. WDW needs that attitude. <<

A nice philosophy. That's my kind of approach to the parks also. Unfortunately I would guess that the majority of visitors, especially new visitors are in commando mode.

 

Originally Posted By HokieSkipper

<<Last couple of times I've been at WDW the HoP was well attended... I would say at least 60% full and this was in January. I think Obama becoming president has resulted in greater attendance.>>

The first few years they saw a pretty nice upsurge. It's worn off as time's gone on.

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

>>>They are a dying breed EE. I really don't think the majority of younger folks care that much about them anymore. There just isn't a novelty to AA's like when they were first designed.<<<


I certainly don't think a slew of new AA shows would be smart, but I most assuredly think that the current shows could exist., be updated, and still pull in their numbers. I mean, look at IASW. That's outdated as all hell, but it's considered art. The same can be done with these shows.