Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I think early on in the relationship/marriage you're probably willing to venture into other territories, but later if those subjects are broached the response is probably "with who">> Ummm... I would hope not. The longer you are married the more territories you have to explore. One of the GREAT things about long-term marriage!!
Originally Posted By Donny So Dave you don't want to blame Dems for our finacal mess ??? Really ????You know it goes back to Clinton.
Originally Posted By Donny Here is Clintons part <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/hotproperty/archives/2008/02/clintons_drive.html" target="_blank">http://www.businessweek.com/th...ive.html</a> This is why the Tea Party is neither Democrat or Republican
Originally Posted By RoadTrip And Bush kicked it up a notch... <<...if you own something, you have a vital stake in the future of our country. The more ownership there is in America, the more vitality there is in America, and the more people have a vital stake in the future of this country. - President George W. Bush, June 17, 2004 We're creating... an ownership society in this country, where more Americans than ever will be able to open up their door where they live and say, welcome to my house, welcome to my piece of property. - President George W. Bush, October 2004.>>
Originally Posted By Donny Yes blame Bush but include Clinton,Frank and Obama in this financial mess as well.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ Hmmm... I guess it isn't. The thread just veered off from its original direction. From sodomy to home ownership in 22 posts. You've got to LOVE LP!! Although the Clinton tie-in is rather amusing... I wonder if the laws say anything about cigars...
Originally Posted By DyGDisney >>>Funy, revenues have gone up in the last 10 years? I am guessing your costs have remained flat at home? Thought not.<<< BINGO!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I blame the banks for our financial mess. I am in favour of bigger government intervention to sort it out. Something I also think the tea party would be against. And Clinton balanced the budget clearing up after years of TOP abuse.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "Dabob2 that is so so not true.I know you would love to think that as much as I would like to beilveve Weather Underground has pull with Obama but that facts are most Republicans are not hateful people like this guy is." Look up the APA, Donny. You don't know what you're talking about. GOP presidential candidates have to kiss its ring, and countless state and local pols seek its blessing also. I appreciate you recognizing this guy as an extremist, but you have a disconnect (as so often before) with how it actually ties in with your party's politics.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney I really have a hard time understanding the Tea Party. It seems most of the people are the elderly and middle class type. Maybe I'm wrong, not sure, but why are they so against raising taxes on the wealthy, or doing away with the Bush tax cuts? So many years without raising taxes, then tacking on two wars to the deficit, what did they expect would happen?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Oh, and the idea that CRA loans were anything but a relatively minor component of the financial collapse was debunked long ago.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Plus all the natural disasters in the US that needed help....oh wait ,I forgot, there wasn't much intervention
Originally Posted By RoadTrip The Tea Party has sold the lower-middle class on the belief that if we just got rid of welfare and taxes THEY would have a chance to be rich. As if. Of course if they were smart enough to see the fallacy in that belief they would probably be rich already...
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<Hmmm... I guess it isn't. The thread just veered off from its original direction. From sodomy to home ownership in 22 posts. You've got to LOVE LP!!>> They are related, it deals with people getting.....
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> the Tea Party is the party that is saying don't increase my taxes because the government unwisely spent the money we gave it. << That's what they "say" and some people believe it. Yet here we are watching them flounder to come up with reasons to NOT extend the payroll tax cuts that are soon to expire. You'd think that the teapartiers would welcome payroll tax cuts, and a few months ago you'd be right. But now, Obama is advocating for it, so they're against it. They don't have a reason just yet, but they'll come up with some lame excuse. What's driving the teaparty is 'Obama Derangement Syndrome'. These people hate the president so much, that they'll do anything ANYTHING to hamper his ability to get elected. And it has nothing to do with the stimulus, or the health care bill, or the deficits. Someone pointed out earlier that the teabaggers are largely populated by elderly, rural, low information voters, primarily in the south - the GOP stronghold ever since the civil rights act of 1965. GOP leadership has convinced these folks that they don't want social security, medicare, health care, disaster response, or taxes on the wealthy and corporations. They feed them nonsense about "energy independence" and "drill baby drill" without ever telling them that we sell 100% of what we drill and export the vast majority of what we extract to other nations. You have to be a special sort to buy into this rhetoric, and plenty of rural southern white americans, easily swayed by emotional arguments and appeals to their base nature will jump on board. In other words, you have to be dumb as a stump for this to work, and too many americans happily volunteer. As for the title jerk of this thread, you might as well criminalize breathing - it's about as effective.
Originally Posted By Donny I think it's sad you have to paint the Tea Party as somthing they clearly are not but what ever the Tea Party is more of a standard then a people
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I think taken at its face value the idea of what the Tea Party wants is valid. But it's been hijacked.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan What the tea party wants is a different outcome of the 2008 election. The tea party was nowhere to be found prior to that, happily supporting two unfunded wars and pretty much anything else the Bush administration did. Started by "outsiders" like Dick Armey's (House majority leader from 1995-2003) FreedomWorks group, the tea party is about as grassroots as Astroturf. The tea party wishes us to believe that maintaining the Bush tax cuts will lead to growth and prosperity. Well, the tax cuts have been in place all this time, and that growth and prosperity has been rather anemic at best. The tea party says we don't dare tax the wealthiest Americans at the levels that they were even under Reagan, because that would hurt job growth. So, the wealthiest people and corporations pay comparatively little (or zero in some cases) tax. So since the tax conditions exist that the FreedomWorks' tea party swears is essential to job creation, where's the job growth we should expect to see? India?
