Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Me, too. Tht is a terrible thing to have to go though. My sympathies.
Originally Posted By LPFan22 I have faith that your dog is going to a wonderful place filled with peace and love.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "This is not my concern. This is a discussion board. Not the SPP (or whatever you call yourself now) board to talk about things the way you want to discuss them." Take a breath. God will get you for being so testy.
Originally Posted By DlandJB I have faith that your dog is going to a wonderful place filled with peace and love. >>>>>>>> Maybe not the time, but I don't believe that animals have souls. That doesn't mean that there aren't pets in other dimensions, but I think the state of having a soul is reserved for humans. Just my opinion.
Originally Posted By jonvn Well, that was horrid. I'll let you guys have whatever it is you want to say. I'm not quite in the mood anymore.
Originally Posted By onlyme Certainly, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. It is up to each individual to decide for themselves. I'm sure this will be boring, but, putting religion and faith aside... Argument for the Existence of God 1. The universe began to exist. 2. The universe has complexity, order and fine-tuning. 3. Complexity, order and fine-tuning imply design 4. Design that began to exist implies a designer 5. Therefore, the universe has a designer Premise 1 asserts that the universe began to exist. According to the Space-Time Theorem of General Relativity (Hawking, Penrose), the universe - all matter and time itself - began at the Big Bang. Premise 2 asserts that the universe seems to have a special order or a "complex design" to it, from the DNA in the smallest cell, to the way chemical bonds form, to the Laws of Physics themselves, to the integration of all of these and more! Not only does the universe seem to have been fine-tuned for life, it seems to have been fine-tuned for life on earth. Some specific examples of this fine-tuning are evident in the constants of the universe. If these constants were changed by the smallest degree, life would not be possible in the entire universe. Premise 3 asserts that complexity, order and fine-tuning imply design. More support for idea that the universe is designed can be found in the idea that nothing ordered can come from chaos, it must come from an orderer. Lastly, the universe, which exhibits order, is supposed to have come from nothing at all, according to some. How can something come from nothing? And how can that something begin at a certain point if there is nothing to begin it? Premise 4 is self evidence. If something began to exist and is designed, it must have had a designer. If something did not begin to exist, it could not have had a beginner or designer. Therefore, the universe has a designer. Conclusions Drawn From the Above The best someone can do against the above argument is to conclude that the universe just happened. In light of the above argument, which of the following makes more sense? 1. The designed universe came into existence, out of nothing, all by itself. 2. The designed universe came into existence through outside input. The second statement clearly makes more sense. The first statement is not only an impossibility but also leaves a lot of holes that must be filled, but which, scientifically speaking, cannot. Anyway, for ME, it's much easier(makes more sense)to believe in God than it is to deny his existence. Of course, this has nothing to do with religion, which is what turns most skeptics off...with good reason.
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle >>Don't go to church. Don't believe, that's your choice. Just the same, when people want to talk religion, don't butt in unsolicited and tell them they're all a bunch of cavemen huddling for warmth.<< I couldn't agree more! I really couldn't care less if you (jonvn) believe in God or not. I don't see why it upsets you so much that other people do have faith. >>Show me that they are, and I will believe that they are.<< You keep saying this, but I'm sure there's not a piece of evidence that anyone could come to you with that would be enough to make you believe. You've dismissed everything everyone has said so far. You keep saying you're "just stating your opinion" but the point you're missing is that you can state your opinion without calling everyone who disagrees unreasonable, stupid or naive. And, of course, my sympathies about your dog. I know how hard that is from experience.
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy If y'all think this is bad, don't bring up hand sanitizers or tattoos. ;-)
Originally Posted By DlandJB Certainly, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. It is up to each individual to decide for themselves.>> Thanks, onlyme. Nicely put.
Originally Posted By LPFan22 ~~~Maybe not the time, but I don't believe that animals have souls. That doesn't mean that there aren't pets in other dimensions, but I think the state of having a soul is reserved for humans. Just my opinion.~~~ That's okay. You're entitled to your opinion. I still believe they do have souls.
