Originally Posted By jonvn "Not true in Africa, where Catholicism has grown tremendously" That might be. It is still relatively new there. But in Europe, it's going the way of the ancient Norse gods.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka Sanctimonious can also mean "excessively pious" or "holier than thou". (According to Dictionary.com)
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Sanctimonious can also mean "excessively pious" or "holier than thou". (According to Dictionary.com)<< Not according to what I get when I look it up: Top Web Results for "sanctimonious" 4 results for: sanctimonious View results from: Dictionary | Thesaurus | Encyclopedia | All Reference | the Web Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous [sangk-tuh-moh-nee-uhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. making a hypocritical show of religious devotion, piety, righteousness, etc.: They resented his sanctimonious comments on immorality in America. 2. Obsolete. holy; sacred. [Origin: 1595–1605; sanctimony + -ous] —Related forms sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous·ly, adverb sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous·ness, noun Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous (s?ngk't?-m?'n?-?s) Pronunciation Key adj. Feigning piety or righteousness: "a solemn, unsmiling, sanctimonious old iceberg that looked like he was waiting for a vacancy in the Trinity" (Mark Twain). sanc'ti·mo'ni·ous·ly adv., sanc'ti·mo'ni·ous·ness n. (Download Now or Buy the Book) The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. WordNet - Cite This Source sanctimonious adjective excessively or hypocritically pious; "a sickening sanctimonious smile" [syn: holier-than-thou] WordNet® 2.1, © 2005 Princeton University Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary (Beta Version) - Cite This Source sanctimonious [s??kti?m?uni?s] adjective trying to appear full of holiness or goodness Example: a sanctimonious expression ============ The theme that runs through those definitions is: hypocrite, fake. Please back it up or apologize.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka Yes, that's right. I'm LYING about reading that on dictionary.com.
Originally Posted By jonvn Holier than thou is hypocritical, really. I wouldn't call what you've said here sanctimonious. It is ridiculous, but not sanctimonious.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sanctimonious" target="_blank">http://dictionary.reference.co m/browse/sanctimonious</a> WordNet - Cite This Source sanctimonious adjective excessively or hypocritically pious; "a sickening sanctimonious smile" [syn: holier-than-thou]
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>"Not true in Africa, where Catholicism has grown tremendously" That might be. It is still relatively new there. But in Europe, it's going the way of the ancient Norse gods.<< Funny how that's really only been happening over the past 40 years or so ago. Hmmm....what happened about 40 years ago...that's right, the Second Vatican Council. How many lies and mistruths have been told in the name of the "Spirit of Vatican II?" What kind of near heresy has been pushed in the name of the "Spirit of Vatican II?" That, along with the reform of the Mass being done suddenly, really threw a lot of people for a loop. It's interesting how the more traditional Orders are flourishing while the more "liberal" ones are dying out. It's really amazing how nuns are starting to return to the habit and people are actually wanting some mystery in the Mass again. Personally, I thought the 1965 Missal would have been the most organic and logical reform of the Mass, but for some reason, the Novus Ordo (the proper name for the "New Mass") was promulgated all at once and everything seemed to be turned on its head. Frankly, I think if things went more slowly in that regard, people wouldn't have been suffering such crises of faith. Just my thoughts on that matter. Sincerely, The sanctimonious hypocrite
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/holier-than-thou" target="_blank">http://dictionary.reference.co m/browse/holier-than-thou</a> Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source ho·li·er-than-thou /ˈhoʊliərðənˈðaʊ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hoh-lee-er-thuhn-thou] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. obnoxiously pious; sanctimonious; self-righteous. –noun 2. a person who is obnoxiously pious or self-righteous. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Origin: 1910–15] Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source ho·li·er-than-thou (hō'lē-ər-thən-thou') adj. Exhibiting an attitude of superior virtue; self-righteously pious. Shall I look up the definition of obnoxiously pious?
Originally Posted By cmpaley Now I'm self rightous and abonoxious. This is getting better and better. Sincerely, The sanctimonious, self-righteous, abnoxious hypocrite.
Originally Posted By Mr X Dear sanctimonious hypocrite, I think you might have a point, but personally I believe that the church REFUSING to "change with the times" has a lot more to do with dwindling numbers. That, plus of course the whole molestation scandal and the shameful covering up of such crimes, has left many people questioning the value of being a member of that church at all. I can say that, personally, my family on BOTH sides were mostly Catholic but I can think of at least 20 (probably more) family members who are no longer practicing. At this point, there are NO practicing Catholics in my family (my step-mom still goes to church now and then but she, too, was disgusted by the cover ups, and particularly living in Boston she was disgusted by Bernard Law). So, at least 20 people from 2 families, families that were raised as DEVOUT Catholics (my parents and aunts and uncles all went to Catholic school, as a matter of fact), have abandoned the church and, with good reason. If anything, I think modernization was too late and too little.
Originally Posted By Mr X Sorry, I missed your full title when posting those last comments. Seriously though, I don't think you should be so offended. I can understand some people commenting that you "always seem to have all the answers" which leaves little room for discussion. Personally, like SuperDry, I enjoy reading what you write because I learn a LOT about the church. Which is funny, since I was raised in it and even went to Catholic school myself for 3 years!
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka Hm, you asked for back-up and then said that sanctimonious didn't have another meaning. I showed you that it does. I just posted definitions of words. I think the most obvious thing here is that you had no problem criticizing LibertyBelle (and refused to apologize when you offended her) and yet are throwing a much bigger hissy-fit when someone dared criticize you.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>I think the most obvious thing here is that you had no problem criticizing LibertyBelle (and refused to apologize when you offended her) and yet are throwing a much bigger hissy-fit when someone dared criticize you.<< Ah, and there is lies a major difference. I didn't criticize HER, I said that if someone is not obeying the Church on a specific issue, then they are committing a mortal sin. Regarding the matter in question, it is a verifiable fact that the Church does teach that. That doesn't say that I think she's a nasty, horrible depraved person. From what I've read, she sounds like a pretty nice person who was not told what they should have been told. Calling me santimonious, on the other hand, is a personal, ad hominem attack on my character because it implies that I am a hypocrite and that my piety and faith are merely for show. Well, I suppose I should have expected such. Sincerely, The sanctimonious, self-righteous, obnoxious hypocrite.
Originally Posted By Mr X Lisann, for the most part no. My Uncle and his family have become Bible thumpers though, VERY anti-Catholic...some sort of Baptist or something.
Originally Posted By cmpaley Archbishop Fulton Sheen was one of the best Catholic communicators of the 20th Century. I wish I had his gift of explaining the Faith. One of my favorite sayings of his is: "There are not 100 people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church for what it truly is, but there are millions who hate her for what they think she is."
Originally Posted By Mr X >>>Calling me santimonious, on the other hand, is a personal, ad hominem attack on my character because it implies that I am a hypocrite and that my piety and faith are merely for show.<<< Unless, of course, you accept the other definition that was given to you. The one that more appropriately DOES fit some of the things you've been writing. But that would be admitting that you CAN be holier than thou, which would never do. Ah, vanity.
Originally Posted By cmpaley Oops. I forgot: Sincerely, They sanctimonious, self-righteous, obnoxious hypocrite whose piety is merely for show
Originally Posted By cmpaley "Holier than thou" implies that I think I'm better than everyone else and will make heaven because of that. I don't. I am constantly on guard because I know what a sinner I am. Truth to tell, sometimes, I feel so unworthy to pray because I know that I am not deserving to know God (no one is, really), let along talk to Him and expect that He hears me. I proclaim what I believe because I truly want to help people make it to heaven and I believe that the Catholic Faith provides the best and easiest way to get there.
