Originally Posted By Mr X ***It's Satan's trickery at work in the world. Who are you going to believe? The Founding Fathers of religion, or your own lyin' eyes?*** Until you can tell me exactly who the "Founding Fathers of religion" are, and why they know more than I do, I'll go ahead and trust my own eyes thanks. ***Witch craft I tells ya*** Funny thing about that...the accused "witches" that sank were considered absolved, but the ones who could walk on water...watch out!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Christ was a warlock, I knew it! Either that, or he was in fact walking on custard.
Originally Posted By Mr X They already covered that on South Park. David Blaine beat Jesus in a magic show, but Jesus used his super-carpentry skills in the end to defeat him.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Christ was a warlock, I knew it! Either that, or he was in fact walking on custard.<< JERUSALEM: A scientist with the Israeli ancient text institute studying the Dead Sea Scrolls has made the startling discovery that John 2: 1-11 was mistranslated by the Greeks from the original Aramaic. It seems that Jesus actually changed the water into custard. >>Or maybe he was an early David Blaine<< Oooooh, God's gonna give you such a smiting!
Originally Posted By Mr X I'm sure you're already screwed for associating with known homosexuals. That plus the blasphemy stuff (I'm personally looking forward to meeting my Mother in hell...I was told by many Nuns and Sunday school teachers that she's already there, thanks to her unforgivable suicide).
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <A really smart atheist and/or liberal would realize that publishing a study showing lower IQ levels of people with a different opinion is going to sway few people, and might actually be counter-productive.> LOL! Very good, SD. As someone in the middle (a liberal non-athiest), I'm going remain agnostic on that one.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Ya X, I'll probably meet my brother there too. He died unbaptised aged 3 months, and the priests told my mom he would be going (one said purgatory, but 2 said hell).
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I was told by many Nuns and Sunday school teachers that she's already there<< >>He died unbaptised aged 3 months, and the priests told my mom he would be going<< There are a lot of church leaders that don't quite get the concept, no doubt about that.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I remember a George Carlin routine from about 1971, where he talked about his Catholic school upbringing. At that time, Limbo was where unbaptized babies were supposed to go. But he said, the Vatican had recently "cancelled" Limbo (so I guess it was pretty new then.) Apparently there must have been something of a transition period doctrinally for 35 years, as now I guess Limbo definitively doesn't exist. Doesn't that mean it never did? <a href="http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16159/pope-to-end-doctrine-of-limbo" target="_blank">http://www.religionnewsblog.co...of-limbo</a>
Originally Posted By utahjosh This might not apply when talking the difference between Atheists and specifically LDS members. "As Latter-day Saints become more educated, they are more likely to be active Church participants, a trend opposite what is found in most denominations. A study by Stan Albrecht and Tim Heaton published in the Review of Religious Research reported that opposite to the experience of most churches in the United States, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints become more religiously active as they become more educated."
Originally Posted By mawnck >>now I guess Limbo definitively doesn't exist. Doesn't that mean it never did?<< <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jNaR0bJKJM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...aR0bJKJM</a> >>A study by Stan Albrecht and Tim Heaton published in the Review of Religious Research<< ... done entirely using students at Brigham Young. 9_9
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> now I guess Limbo definitively doesn't exist. Doesn't that mean it never did? << Much like the catholic practice of having your marriage annulled. If you write them a big enough check, not only are you no longer married - you never were! Even if it went on for thirty years and three kids and a mortgage and a pool - it never happened. Poof. It's a miracle.
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^FWIW I know plenty of folks who were denied an annulment. Its not a slam dunk.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <done entirely using students at Brigham Young. 9_9> I was just about to ask if they did a control for the Mormons who are educated within Mormon institutions. If you're not just kidding, mawnck, and it was all BYU students, the phrase "quel surprise" comes to mind.
Originally Posted By mawnck The Albrecht-Heaton study he's referring to only studied Mormons, and was done in 1984. (Josh somehow left out the year in the middle of the 2nd sentence in his quote. Guess it was an accident.) To reach their conclusions, they compared their data about Mormons to other studies done by other people about other religions. And although I can't find a direct reference to it (and don't wish to pay to read the article, since that seems to be the only way to access it online), I get from the article excerpts I have found that it was students at Brigham Young that were the subjects, presumably because that's where all the educated Mormons go to school. This is Josh's source: <a href="http://www.adherents.com/largecom/lds_dem.html" target="_blank">http://www.adherents.com/large...dem.html</a> and this (ahem) is the link that's supposedly the source's source: <a href="http://www.byuh.edu/kealakai/current/pages/education.html" target="_blank">http://www.byuh.edu/kealakai/c...ion.html</a> I'll give Josh credit though. I found LOTS of LDS trolls on other discussion boards mentioning the same study, and Josh doesn't just copy and paste his posts from the Secret Talking Points List. Most of them do. Incidentally, Heaton is still at BYU, and Albrecht is now the President of Utah State.
Originally Posted By ecdc In fairness to Josh, Mormons do value education more than a lot of fundamentalist evangelicals. BYU is pretty mainstream, compared to say, Pat Robertson U.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "But to insist that such a notion is IMPOSSIBLE? That's silly. " What's silly is to make amy claim that liberals and atheists are smarter. What's even sillier is to lump liberals and atheists together. Such are the vagaries of these silly studies.
