Originally Posted By oc_dean Okay. If they did such a thing ... the surrounding area should be richly themed ... like Indiana Jones et le Temple du Péril in DLP .. and Raging Spirits in DisneySea. Where these coasters are laid out in a more typical "roller coaster" layout .. and I get this picture of a Tron Light Cycle ride above the Subs and Autopia .. but some how ... I get an ill-feeling .. Disney would not go the extra mile to give the surrounding area .. as much rich detail .. as they attempted in those two other examples.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<And there's something more compellingly futuristic .. when you have a unique transportation system coming in and out of buildings. Since TL:67 debuted .. and Logan's Run came along in 1976 ... the concept of an interconnecting transportation system that connects buildings is unique and yet to really took hold in cities around the world, hence .. still a futuristic concept.>> That a PM is futuristic doesn't mean it's a good idea. While they have their uses (airports), I doubt they will ever be a common mode of urban transportation. It's like how Segways were touted to be the urban transportation device of the future. They found a niche, but to think they would ever be ubiquitous was unrealistic.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>That a PM is futuristic doesn't mean it's a good idea. While they have their uses (airports), I doubt they will ever be a common mode of urban transportation.<< It's still nice to look Forward though. Better than thinking the automobile is going to solve all our future transportation needs!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Better than thinking the automobile is going to solve all our future transportation needs!>> That's only if you think inside the box. Automobiles don't have to be internal combustion machines subject to gridlock. Why couldn't some form of PM technology be applied to cars? What if you had a electric/hydrogen/hybrid whatever car that communicated with a network and took over the driving once you got "online?" Out on the open road the car would work the "old-fashioned" manual way, but once you got to the city, you'd input where you wanted to go, and the computer would take over. Farfetched? Probably not much more than envisioning PM network.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Doesn't matter how smart cars become, or what drive system propels them .. you still have the issue of too many cars on road ways meant to carry "X" amount of vehicles .. then it becomes a bottle neck. Adding systems of transportation .. IN ADDITION to what we have now .. is going to help alleviate the congestion that is only going to get worse with the rise in population. Somehow .. I don't think my smart, fuel cell vehicle is going to get me to Anaheim from LA down the current I-5 freeway any faster.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Trek ... Just talkin' totally "off the cuff" in a funny sort of way ..... What you don't know ... before you wrote "thinking within the box" ... I almost wrote in response to one post of yours - You seem to think in just "2010" terms. But I decided to pull it. Here .. we are both taking jabs at each other. LOL But anyway ... just jabbing at you for the fun here .... You do call yourself TREKkeruss right? As in Star TREK? Where's your 23rd-24th Century way of thinking?
Originally Posted By oc_dean I'm going to state this in just a general way. To not offend anyone. I just get this feeling .. we are all so stuck in thinking in 20th Century terms. I think the world can only take the automobile so far .. and that's it. I don't know if we'll ever get to a "Star Trek" world ... we're we are teleported around the world in just a few seconds. But what's going to help our cities that were built around the automobile .. are overhead systems ... connecting building to building. We can come up with one excuse after another .. after another why WE THINK it's impractical .. but sooner or later ... as us "20th Century" thinking relics will pass on .. and it's up to the new generations to get something done .. instead of coming up with more excuses, and ultimately not get anything done.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<what's going to help our cities that were built around the automobile .. are overhead systems ... connecting building to building.>> Why does it have to be overhead? NYC, Tokyo, Paris, London, etc. all have fantastic subway systems. Is walking a block or a few really that bad? Aren't we Americans too lazy as it is?
Originally Posted By oc_dean Ya .. LOL .. we are a bit lazy aren't we? Anyway .. I think a combination of both Subway and Overhead would be nice. In movies ... overhead systems add to the overall aesthetic of city. Given it a new appearance - instead of just the same old - 20th Century type layout. (Now who's thinking within the box? Just kidding trek ;P ) I have loved how visionaries and futurists have drawn up new looking cities that transform the static stand-alone buildings ... and breath a type of LIFE that look like "blood arteries" to a living, breathing society. The 1967 Peoplemover exuded that ... with giving the surrounding buildings more "purpose" and made it all feel like one living component .. than just a bunch of static stationary buildings. We're just so used to boring static buildings that stand alone .. it's as if we can't think of anything else that transform us away from this old city format. Hence .. my "thinking in 20th Century terms" line. Anyway .. not trying to get under your skin .. or anyone elses. I'm still that "futurist"
Originally Posted By oc_dean I think I understand why I love the 1967 Tomorrowland so much - (along with that fascinated overhead transportation system .. linking the buildings.) Because .. when I entered it ... It felt like a land for believers. And all of sudden .. I was transformed into a Believer. (A cynical non believer .. I'm not.) Which is one of the reasons I hold on to the Disneyland experience to this day in my life .. because the park is more than just simply a place to "amuse" me - hence Amusement Park. (It's so much more than that. And in some cases, use to be)
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Is walking a block or a few really that bad? << Walt's original EPCOT design .. was really interesting .. because the Monorail took you from good distances .. to a "hub" in the city outskirts .. then a Peoplemover would take us the general city section we need to get to. With a walk that could be 1 to a few blocks. Walking a few city blocks isn't bad at all. It's when a transporation system gets you no closer than 10-15 blocks of where you need to go. Are you going to walk 15 city blocks? That's where Walt's peoplemover comes in.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub I always get an incredible feeling of hope for the future whenever i ride LIving With the Land at Epcot FutureWorld. It is a covered dome that gives survival with futuristic farming ideas including aquaculture. It is hard to describe unless you have actually been on this attraction.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I'd like to hear from any LPer who went to the Olympics. When I was in Vancouver for the '86 Worlds Fair .. I got around in their SkyTrain. That was 24 years ago .. and I know the system has grown significantly. I'm sure many tourist who went to the Olympics jumped on this system .. and got them with 1-5 city blocks within all the major "points" of the city.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss It's a PM in the sense that it is automated, but as far as the number of stations and where it goes, it's doing the duty more like a light rail/subway system (at least from what I can tell by looking at the system map.)
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Similar types of systems (automated transit) have popped up all over the world since the Peoplemover debuted at DL. Even Dubai has such a system now and there are those cool pod networks we discussed that are being installed at London Heathrow and potentially in Mountain View, California. The reason why this is important is because the uniqueness of these things isn't what it was back in the early '70's. For someone like me who rides BART everyday, I find the Monorail to be a rather ho-hum how experience. Add the wait in line and I'd rather skip it. Similarly, how would bringing back the Peoplemover add value to the entertainment experience in Tomorrowland?
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub The Peoplemover in WDW is on my list of things to do in the daytime and the night. Definitely has entertainment value.
Originally Posted By believe >>>>>>>And the only time Light Cycles are going to be effective .. is in those 3 hours of night time. Because there's more daylight than nighttime .. they need a ride that is suited better for the daylight. <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Actually, what a great idea. Call it Speed Cycles by day, then change the name at night to LightCycles.
Originally Posted By believe they should have kept the Rocket Rods and converted them to trains. Make them go slow like the people mover, and you wouldn't have the maintenance problems that the high speed RRs had. Slower speed, less wear and tear.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Definitely has entertainment value." For you, but I'm wondering about the majority of people visiting the place though. I'm not saying that it doesn't have appeal, but there has to be something that is more compelling both in terms of technology and fun-ness.
Originally Posted By oneyepete I agree with you Hans, but, I wouldn't mind something slow and simple either to relax and rest from dragging the grand kids around. Sort of a moving Tiki toom.
