Originally Posted By bean grizzley peake, condor flats and other attraction pads for more attractions within those lands. Don't forget there will still be room for expansion in the timon lot and other areas surrounding the park
Originally Posted By bean don't forget the golden state area. You have a warf with an empty large buildng as well as a row of houses used only for restrooms.
Originally Posted By Britain YESS!! The entrance made the cut for the first five years! Excellent! Condor Flats can wait. I like the patriotic, adventurous vibe it has already. And Soarin' is popular. I'm glad redesigning that area has been delegated to the second five year plan.
Originally Posted By k_peek_2000 So bean. Is there any chance, and by any chance, I mean any chance at all that there will be an origional California themed ride for the makeover?
Originally Posted By Skellington88 bean I have a question for you..is the Little mermaid ride going to be similar to the attraction that Tony Baxter talked about on the Little Mermaid DVD or is it going to be some new "on the cheap" version like the Nemo ride at epcot where you ride a clam omnimover and just look at video projections? I was hoping for something like a modern fantasyland type ride with full 3 dimensional props and sets and audio animtronics (or at least simple moving figures) and practicle special effects.
Originally Posted By TP2000 Skellington88, you mean a dark ride like the plywood sets and jiggling manequins that make up most of the Fantasyland dark rides? Mr. Toad, Alice, Snow White, Pooh, or even Peter Pan (but from above)? Those kind of cheap, C Ticket dark rides? Or do you mean the more elaborate D Ticket dark rides that have a gimmick or more novel execution on a bigger scale, like Roger Rabbitt and Monsters Inc.? Either way, a dark ride is a dark ride. It's either a cheap plywood thing from Walt Disney's era, or a more elaborate plywood thing from the Eisner/Iger era. I can only imagine the howls of horror and disgust from Internet message boards if a cornball plywood paradise like Alice In Wonderland opened in 2007. How dare Iger and Lasseter cheapen Disneyland with some cheap plywood menace like Alice! ;-)
Originally Posted By k_peek_2000 "Or do you mean the more elaborate D Ticket dark rides that have a gimmick or more novel execution on a bigger scale, like Roger Rabbitt and Monsters Inc.? " I wouldn't call either of those rides elaborate. I would more along the lines of Sindbad's Storybook Voyages. That would be an elaborate darkride that this could be based on (in terms of props and style of animatronics).
Originally Posted By dshyates Or similar to the original omnimover dark ride, The Haunted Mansion. Not really plywood flats there. Imagine a 21st century dark ride with an effort on par with HM.
Originally Posted By 2001DLFan <<trekkeruss: One of the features of an Omnimover is the ability of the individual cars to rotate, allowing the ride designers to "edit" the scenes riders will see. Peter pan doesn't do that. System aside, I an *extremely* sceptical of the veracity of the LM rumor for DCA.>> I really get the feeling that the Little Mermaid idea is their grabbing at straws for something enjoyable to put into the park. And the only reason they came up with it was because of the virtual ride that was included in the Little Mermaid DVD. Apparently everything that they have been pitching has just been rehashed (and cheaper budget) concepts from the past few years, left over from WDI’s old political management. Just hope that WDI’s new management and DCA’s new creative director will change the direction in favor of some real creativity instead of just stuffing the park with cartoons.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I really get the feeling that the Little Mermaid idea is their grabbing at straws for something enjoyable to put into the park" That's really sad, if true. I've seen many ideas from all sorts of people who have presented ideas online that sounded like they'd be great. I can't imagine it'd be that hard to come up with something good.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror >>>I've seen many ideas from all sorts of people who have presented ideas online that sounded like they'd be great. I can't imagine it'd be that hard to come up with something good.<<< On this we're completely agreed. There ARE far too many cartoon-related attractions being forced into ALL the Disney parks, inappropriately. I can't fathom the rationale to put a Little Mermaid attraction into a San Francisco-themed region. It really makes you want to cry. With all that money, you know they're going to design and build a lovely infrastructure... but suddenly you've got this very RANDOM concept stuck into it... just because it's - what? Water? Ocean? Ick. Ariel's Restaurant is one thing. Heck, the proposed (and never built) Ursula spinner in the middle of SCREAMIN' would have been fine - it was a spinner that would have at least added some colorful kinetics in that little spot. But an expensive, fully-fleshed out attraction in the wrong place, is like bringing a wedding cake to a birthday party. You can eat it, enjoy it, but it's the wrong choice, and people (rightly) think you've lost your sense of taste, if not your mind.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror Okay, here's ONE idea for a SF themed attraction... and admittedly not a great one, but it could be entrancing if done in the right spirit with the right music... What about an "Ocean" attraction - along the lines of the old IF YOU HAD WINGS attraction at WDW years and years ago? It wouldn't have to be terribly elaborate, but breezy and imaginative. Start out by surfing a wave, then roll into tidal pools, maneuver into reefs, come up above the waves in Catalina, then rock on a sailboat up the coast... Sort of the inverse-version of SOARIN' - but you could do it in an Omnimover, with clever sets that combine filmed elements with physical sets. I guess that would go better in the Wharf section, but I hold out hope for an attraction over there that focuses on Marine Mammals - whales, seals, walruses, etc. A little edutainment, a little charm. Monterey, after all...
Originally Posted By Britain Meh... It wouldn't sell any merchandise like Ariel would. Just sayn'sall.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: Maybe they could re-name the Little Mermaid attraction and call it 'If You Had Fins'!
Originally Posted By Moon Waffle I still don't understand why cartoon-based rides are bad? They are extremely popular with the average guest. Just look at Nemo, Buzz and Monsters. And they sell massive amounts of merchandise which in turn generates more revenue with which to build future attractions. They already tried a park full of non-cartoon based rides (DCA when it opened). Nobody liked it.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: I agree with you, Moon Waffle, duckling. In fact, if us Cauldron girls were in charge, ALL Disney theme park attractions would be based on a Disney animated film. After all, we shouldn't forget that it all started with a mouse and, thus far, has ended with a rat!
Originally Posted By jonvn "I still don't understand why cartoon-based rides are bad? " They aren't bad. But if they just do that, and little else, it gets to be all of one sort of thing. "They already tried a park full of non-cartoon based rides (DCA when it opened). Nobody liked it." Yes, and the Pooh ride is so popular because it is a cartoon? No. It's not that. You can have a ride that is popular or unpopular regardless of whether it is based on a cartoon. "On this we're completely agreed." It's interesting that some people who agree on almost NOTHING seem to agree on this. This is either a sign of the coming apocolypse, or it is something Disney might want to take notice of. If people from all over the map on opinions otherwise start saying similar things, it might actually project into the general public in terms of perception and opinion.
