Originally Posted By Yookeroo ""Like Toad, Roger Rabbit gets a pass for flats because it is a fast ride." There's nothing fast about Toad.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros While the Toad vehicles may not travel very fast in comparison with other rides in the park, they do move very quickly for the scale of the attraction and its small scenes. This makes it more fast paced, so you are rarely in any single scene for more than a few seconds. The scenes that you are in for longer (Toad Hall at the beginning, the village square, and Hell) are more detailed and include 3-D sets and figures. The others are mostly flat, but also include some dimensionality. But since you're in each room for such a short period of time, the flats work fine. If the rooms were larger (like they are in Pooh, partly to accomodate modern ADA regulations), they would seem less appealing than what's there. Roger Rabbit on the other hand is actually mostly 3-D sets and figures. This was done deliberately by the designers, who realized that it would be possible for guests to go through much of the ride completely backward, or at least at funny angles, making it tough to use painted flats. There are also many traditional dark ride tricks used (lots of mirrors and figures with very simple motion) which make it an effective ride experience. The Roger Rabbit rooms are much larger than in Mr Toad (in fact, most of the Toad rooms are smaller than the 'empty' spots in Roger Rabbit, where you go through blackness for a bit between scenes), and have appropriately scaled sets to match. While the speeds of the two are comparable, the time spent in each scene is not, which leads to a different pacing of the overall attraction.
Originally Posted By avatarmickey115 I remember a couple years ago when I went on MTWR for the first time since being a little kid, I was scared out of my mind from the train scene! I ducked down when I realized we werent turning yet! Just stuff like that, the stuff that surprises you or just adds a little more thrill in for fun, THAT is what Pooh is missing. It's really just not fair at all how we got the crappy version. Critter Country could be a lot better if Disney put some actual effort into it (other than splash). Just disappointing...
Originally Posted By DlandDug The Disneyland version of Pooh is just different from the others. There are three distinct approaches that have been taken, each equally valid, and each pretty much defined by the physical space it occupies. Tokyo's was built from scratch, as far as I know. Disney World took over both tracks and show buildings from their original Mr. Toad. Long track and low ceilings meant a linear approach with an emphasis on eye level effects. Disneyland took over both theaters and support areas of the Country Bear Playhouse. So there are two major atmospheric areas with connecting scenes. I like each of them for different reasons. Having never experienced Honey Hunt, I can't personally make a judgement call, but based on what I have seen it would undoubtedly be my favorite. Not to say I would dismiss the others as being somehow inherently terrible.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Does the WDW version use parts of the old Mr Toad tracks? Their version of Mr Toad had two separate tracks that converged in a couple scenes (like the Matterhorn), but were mostly independent 'mirrored' copies. The extra space of the second track made it possible to design the new ride to fit with the modern building and accessability codes, using larger sets placed further from the ride vehicles. This same reason is why DL's Toad was never in any real danger of being removed, contrary to what the internet might make you believe. While it's entirely possible that they reused portions of the track, it seems like a lot of effort to design the ride that way, when it's relatively easy and cheap to lay down a new busbar alignment. I know that they used portions of the original Imagination track for the revised version(s), which is significantly shorter, so they may have done the same with Toad/Pooh. It's also interesting to note that HKDL's Pooh is almost identical to WDW's, right down to the picture of Owl getting the deed.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "While the Toad vehicles may not travel very fast in comparison with other rides in the park, they do move very quickly for the scale of the attraction and its small scenes." I don't think they move much faster at all, but the point is that the feeling of taking a wild ride is very effective. Whatever they did, it works with such primitive technology.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I like each of them for different reasons. Having never experienced Honey Hunt, I can't personally make a judgement call, but based on what I have seen it would undoubtedly be my favorite. Not to say I would dismiss the others as being somehow inherently terrible." Oh stop being so reasonable Doug. You know that kind of attitude isn't welcome amongst the "E Ticket on Nothing" crowd that dwell here.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo FWIW, I am not fan of the Winnie the Pooh movies, but I do quite like the rides at both DL and WDW, and would most probably love the one at Tokyo. For me, not everything needs to be an e ticket. Then again I am pretty excited at the prospect of a trolley going through DCA, and feel the loss of the Jolly Trolley in Toontown, and the canoes in the MK and DLP were a step backwards. Hardly e tickets.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I'd be nice if they'd bring back the Keel Boats Dave. Only got to ride them once, but they added to the authenticity of the river.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Really? I didn't know that. They must have been closed the couple of times that I've visited.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I never saw them in operation at DL, but I've seen the boats, and they're surprisingly small. I don't think they would work very well with today's people 'of size'. And I say that as a very tall person.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Yes, they were small, but roomier than the cars on Casey Jr or the rides in A Bugs Land.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "You know that kind of attitude isn't welcome amongst the "E Ticket on Nothing" crowd that dwell here." The Little Mermaid Ride is a C-Ticket at best and it is getting rave reviews, even from Pooh haters. It couldn't be that there is something that Little Mermaid does better than Pooh.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "The Little Mermaid Ride is a C-Ticket at best and it is getting rave reviews, even from Pooh haters." With its elaborate detailed building and advanced AA figures? There is no way the attraction would be considered a C ticket Spokker. For the record here is a list of C ticket attractions at Disneyland: Fantasyland Theater Mad Tea Party Autopia Shooting Gallery Peter Pan Flight Dumbo Flying Elephants Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride Snow White’s Adventures Mike Fink Keel Boats
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Like the Fantasyland C-Tickets, the loading area simply features a flat mural. The indoor queue feels like a Mexican seafood restaurant. No queue and simple loading area is consistent with the Fantasyland C-Tickets you listed. The AA's are more advanced than anything in the Fantasyland C-Tickets you listed, yet it's 2011 and those rides were built in the 50s. If something like the massive AA in Sindbad at TDS earns that attraction an E, then the much smaller Ursula in Little Mermaid earns it a C. And after all, if it were a C, it would not cost you as much to experience it. That's something to celebrate. And if ticket books did exist, I would not feel comfortable charging D-Ticket prices for The Little Mermaid. Here is a high capacity omnimover attraction that can achieve economies of scale. We'll simply be collecting more tickets in a given hour than say, Peter Pan or Submarine Voyage. Hell, I'd put Peter Pan on the D-Ticket to bring the queue down something more reasonable. I'd also put Small World on the D-Ticket due to economies of scale as well.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I seem to remember 'small world' as one of the attractions that didn't require a ticket - along with 'adventure thru inner space', 'circlevision', and 'carousel of progress'. I'm not certain of the exact roster, but there were a few different "sponsored" attractions that didn't require any tickets or coupons.
