Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "Over time if an attraction lost popularity it might be reassigned to a more appropriate ticket category." Definitely. Popularity. Capacity. Cost to operate. Subjective value. Complexity. All good factors to consider. "It makes you wonder with newer attractions like Indiana Jones, Splash Mountain, Soarin and ToT if old E tickets like the Matterhorn Bobsleds and the Monorail would still be in the same category today." I'm not sure, but if ticket books were to return in the form of a tappable RFID card, I'd play around with dynamic pricing of attractions. At the end of the night Splash Mountain is usually a ghost town. I'd drop the price when the queue empties out to encourage more guests to soak up the capacity there. And the guest gets to feel like they got a good deal and squeezed out some extra value during their trip. And maybe they'll ride Pooh, which would be free at that point.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<The point is that no one factor determined what letter was attached to what attraction.">> True. Indiana Jones, for instance, could have possibly exceeded the original "E-Ticket" classification. It has a rolling motion-based ride system on 2500' of hi-tech trackway, several huge F/X, massive show building with 15 seperate themed tableaus, licensing up the wazoo, 2 AA's, and the most immersive queue to date with a ride length of just about 3-1/2 minutes. To break an attraction down into its basic components: Attraction classification = Dark ride, coaster, thrill, railroad, film, hybrid. Design appeal = Child, adolescent, family, teen, adult, mid-age adult, senior. Scope = Size of showbuilding, number of tableaus, length of track, ride duration, hourly capacity. Story = Theme elements, special effects, music score, lighting effects. Ride system = Flume, gravity, self propelled, continuous loop, u-drive, etc. Level of theming: For instance: 1 = a plain coaster 2 = Cal Screamin 3 = Space Mountain 4 = Matterhorn 5 = Big Thunder or 1 = Paintings of figures 2 = Painted maquettes 3 = Animated maquettes 4 = Minimatronics 5 = AudioAutomatronics Lastly: Did it score a FastPass kiosk?
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "You know, every time you do that, you look a little more ridiculous. Just sayin'." Makes me think we're dealing with a young teenager. Or maybe younger.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<I'm not sure, but if ticket books were to return in the form of a tappable RFID card, I'd play around with dynamic pricing of attractions.>> That's the future.
Originally Posted By ilovefunthings "I do believe that by the time WDW opened one factor was capacity. E tickets were almost always high-capacity shows or rides." Then how did Country Bear get on the list as an E Ticket? 900 persons per hour is not considered high capacity. And IF YOU HAD WINGS and WED WAY people mover and CO Progress, 3 MEGA CAPACITY attraction were....FREE! I think Michael Eisner, dog bless him, should have the final say in what constitutes an E ticket.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<Then how did Country Bear get on the list as an E Ticket?>> Audio Animatronics, and lots of them.
Originally Posted By ilovefunthings You left out this point said by the good Dr. "I do believe that by the time WDW opened one factor was capacity. E tickets were almost always high-capacity shows or rides." I am questioning his logic. Mickey Mouse review had more Animatronics than Bears, D ticket.
Originally Posted By crapshoot All the "E-Tickets" with Hourly Ride Capacity - Mine Train Ride (Frontierland) (D-C-D-E-D-E-D) (1300/hr) - Pack Mules (Frontierland) - Jungle River Cruise (Adventureland) (1800/hr) - Disneyland-Alweg Monorail Trains (Tomorrowland) (2000/hr) - Matterhorn Bobsleds (Fantasyland) (1500/hr) - It’s a Small World presented by Bank of America (Fantasyland) (2000/hr) - Enchanted Tiki Room presented by United Airlines (Adventureland) (690/hr) - Submarine Voyage (Tomorrowland) (900/hr) - Pirates of the Caribbean (New Orleans Square) (3400/hr) - Country Bear Jamboree (Bear Country) - Haunted Mansion (New Orleans Square) (2618/hr) - Space Mountain (Tomorrowland) 2160/hr
Originally Posted By ilovefunthings Bears no capacity on your, though ,with 3 shows an hour at 300 per, around 900, very low for and E. Thanks for points out that there are several low capacity E ticket attractions, and that capacity does not = E Ticket.
Originally Posted By Mr X Looks like Beau is posting drunk again. Can't even stay coherent for a few days, eh pal? Nice try though. Reported.
Originally Posted By lesmisfan i do have to say, we have had the model and videos showing what was going into the attraction so I do not know what the suprise is! And its a wonderful ride in my opinion i love it! Not saying the people who do not like it are wrong but saying that its worse than the FL rides is in my opinion wrong. It is an ending the ends suddenly? does better with tying loose ends then snow white! with her its look at the witch dying and how look a painted mural saying they lived happily ever after. and it is incredibly detailed from the rock work and the figures i do believe from what i was told by a friend on the attraction that the animontrics were all hand sculpted. and the animontronics are the most sophiscated of all animontronics. at least we are not competely stuck with a ride were they do not move at all and just stand there like a statue. also i know the reason why they chose CGI instead of hand drawn animation and you can email me about it if you want and its a very logical reason.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 I don't ever go into WE so can SOMEBODY, for the LOVE OF WALT please explain to me who this "Beau" person was/is?
Originally Posted By Mr X You're posting in his topic right now. He also posted in this topic under two other names besides "ilovefunstuff". Nuff said. He's a troublemaking troll, and he doesn't limit himself to WE by any means.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<Bears no capacity on your, though ,with 3 shows an hour at 300 per, around 900, very low for and E.>> Yeah, except for one teency, weency little fact that proves that you do not know what you are talking about. Apparantly what you don't know about CBJ is that there were two(2) seperate theaters in operation. So your continuing claim of "low capacity" just don't fly as CBJ operated at about 1800 guests per hour, give or take. But I will give you an "E" for effort. Now that's the ticket.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 ^^ What I meant was, who was he before? What was his previous handle, as I don't remember a "Beau".
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones No one factor determined what ABCDE ticket was attached to what attraction. However, if cost to operate is correlated with complexity, and complexity is correlated with bigness, and bigness is correlated with capacity, then we generally get what are known as E-Tickets. Basically, high values of all factors = E-Ticket. But like I said, at one point the Tiki Room was charged a price above an E-Ticket, and it is relatively low capacity. This exception does not negate the general trend.
Originally Posted By ilovefunthings "Looks like Beau is posting drunk again. Can't even stay coherent for a few days, eh pal? Nice try though. Reported." Wow X. I mean, REALLY? You would have been the last to see act this way. To begin, I posted post 188 from an ipad which did some auto-correction that went bad. Second, what precisely did I say in post 188 that you reported me for? That's right, I said nothing. But then when I counter report posts like yours, I point that out to admin. I say, "he is reporting me for post 188? What did I say?" Surprised now X has drunken the kool-aid. Especially when this topic appeared to get back on track, you decided to do a personal attack by calling someone a troll. Very sad. Expected more out of you. "Yeah, except for one teency, weency little fact that proves that you do not know what you are talking about." Sigh, Crapshoot. I did in fact know that. But, what you failed to point out, that shows your lack of knowledge, is that Magic Kingdom's Country Bear attraction only has one theater. As all the other Disney Theme parks besides Disneyland did. So, how do you justify an E ticket for low capacity attractions like Country Bear and even Submarines and Tikis? Unless you are going to point out that Tiki's has a second underground theater next to Club 33?
Originally Posted By ilovefunthings BTW, here is another topic I posted on LP. You decide if you feel this is the work of a "troll" (I do love video games, and, trolls are pretty cool in those I guess!) <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/MsgBoard-T-120144-P-2.asp" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/Ms...-P-2.asp</a>
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<Sigh, Crapshoot. I did in fact know that. But, what you failed to point out, that shows your lack of knowledge, is that Magic Kingdom's Country Bear attraction only has one theater. As all the other Disney Theme parks besides Disneyland did.>> Oooh, slick recovery, except for you fell flat on your face, once again. Why would you feel compelled to even try and weasel in MK into this discussion? This topic is about a an attraction at the Disneyland Resort. Since you can't seem to stay on task or on topic then there is absolutely no point in discussing this further. Feel free to carry on with your other sock-puppet disguised as a banana.
Originally Posted By ilovefunthings "This topic is about a an attraction at the Disneyland Resort. " Huh? This is about an attraction at California Adventure. A completely separate theme park than Disneyland as is The Magic Kingdom and Tokyo Disneyland, 2 other parks that have single theater Country Bears. I guess there is a deeper meaning to your LP name, huh CRAPshoot?
