Originally Posted By davewasbaloo They better never go to WDW and ride Universe of Energy - 45 minute experience! Personally I would rather wait for a knock your socks off long experience, than queue an hour for a 3 minute thrill. I like thrills, but the wait to payoff ratio can be rediculous.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 ^ I wish Tony Baxter had gotten his way with Westcot, Dave! He mentioned TWO HOUR attractions that took you to a certain point and then in classic "choose your own adventure" style, you could get out of the boat and venture elsewhere, heading off to another adventure and even becoming PART OF THE ATTRACTION! He used the example of, "what if you could get out of the boat and GO INTO the pirate village!" Unfortunately, with today's ADD, Playstation Generation, they would be bored before the boat left the embarkation station!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Agreed. I would have loved Westcot, but seeing what has been cut from DCA, and observing DL/DCA guests, I am thinking that it would have been a huge expensive flop sadly. But it means I would never go to WDW as I would have everything I loved about WDW at DLR plus San Diego Zoo just down the road.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo FWIW though, I love my Playstation and can happily play on it for hours. And given the 3D capability, would rather stay home and play a selection of 3D games than TSMM. Lol
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 Yeah, I have to agree about the "It would be wasted on them" thing, Dave. I think Westcot's idea and philosophy was basically done even before the first troublemaker put their hand up to oppose it in an Anaheim town council meeting. Mind you I am not saying *I* think it was bad, quite the opposite, in fact. I mean, for the basic churro munching, soda slurping family from Podunk North Hackensack, Westcot was TOO classy. It would have been lost on them. I mean, look at what has happened to Epcot. The Living Seas has become cartoon Nemo land, Horizons is a gussied up gravitron and WoM has become the "thrilling"(rolls eyes)Test Track. The less said about SE the better(It pains me to think that when I return, that BEAUTIFUL and SUBLIME backwards descent with that incredible music will not be there!!! : ( ) No - had Westcot been built, by now they would be tearing down its pagodas, palaces and spheres to make way for flumes, coasters and maybe even a parachute drop ride.
Originally Posted By Mr X Energy was a little too much even for this Disney geek (Ellen is slightly more tolerable for the wit, but still quite lengthy almost to the point of boredom, and I'm a pretty patient viewer who can happily sit through 40-60 minute symphonies that others find intolerably long and boring), but Pirates, Mansion, SSE, Horizons, American Adventure, heck even GMR...bring it on! Long-lasting, immersive experiences are what me wants! <---used to dream and conceptualize of 15-20 minute coaster experiences as a kid...
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I don't know if I would go that far. But I do not think the demographics would lend themselves well for a successful venture. Sadly. Don't get me started on how Epcot has been raped. It used to rival Disneyland in my attentions. Now, not as compelling. But I think your view of coasters and parachute drops going into So Cal is off the mark, 6 Flags and the raped Knott's Berry Farm cover that angle. Disney is all about the toons now, remember? But it certainly is the case in Paris where they love to mix the toons and thrills (TSPL and Crush Coaster) as the case in point. To quote Gantuu in Lilo and Stitch, I think it's an "abomination".
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Sorry, post 285 was in response to Bob. I love Universe of Energy as was. And the Living Seas as was. But then again, I have been known to spend a full day in museums where 4 hours is the recommended visit.
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Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Unfortunately, with today's ADD, Playstation Generation, they would be bored before the boat left the embarkation station!" I think there's more to it than that. To some degree the sheer amount of things to do at DLR can be overwhelming when you have limited vacation time. I'd probably think twice before committing two hours to one attraction at DL when my time is limited.
Originally Posted By disneysnout I agree with pretty agree with you (Topic Starter) It could have been better.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> I mean, this is a park the celebrates CALIFORNIA! How does a Little Mermaid ride fit into this theme? << That is one complaint of yours that I can't relate to. Mainly because the theme of DCA shouldn't have been applied to a Disney park (at least a first-class one) in the first place. The embarrassing nature of the park upon its premiere in 2001 and the fact that both California and Los Angeles over the past decade have seen their smallest growth in population since the late 1800s seem to be an appropriate symbol for one another. (I'll sidestep the current statistics of California having the second highest unemployment rate in the US.) I've yet to see LM, but I can sort of understand your criticism of the overly plastic-y or polychromed look of the attraction's figures. I guess the Imagineers figured that since they were recreating scenes from an animated feature, there was no need to make things look even somewhat realistic or natural. Beyond that, you ultimately have to judge Little Mermaid in the context of this comment -- in the context of the pockmarked history of the park -- which I wholeheartedly agree with... >> It replaced Golden Dreams, one of the most boring, cheap and borderline depressing movie attractions ever to scar a Disney theme park. << In other words, thank God for small favors.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> I don't buy that DCA is that much better, patchwork-quilt wise it might even be worse now! << I think you're being a bit too rough on DCA, Mr. X. The park definitely is better today than it was in 2001. Back then, as it still is today, yes, DCA was a patchwork-quilt. But most of that "quilt" in the beginning was painfully full of holes and overtly tacky "fabric." Enough repair has been done to the park since then to make it somewhat passable. It's still a far cry from DisneySea, but I'd say it is the only Disney park outside of that second one in Tokyo that I'd want to visit. Also, some of what has made DCA so fascinating since its premiere is scrutinizing all the blunders, miscues and budget issues connected to it, and figuring out what (or who) was responsible for them. So the park has been quite a learning experience, if only in the varying, odd or unpredictable nature of people's perceptions and tastes---evident in the various clashes of opinion throughout this thread.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt LOL! Disneywatcher you need to hang out around here a little more often. First, the original poster was exposed as the sockpuppet instigator of a former LP member who was banned from the site years ago, and Mr X was banned last week for going on a profanity laden tirade in World Events.
Originally Posted By mstaft Epcot may be a far cry from EPCOT Center, but its still my favorite Disney park on the east coast.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "Mr X was banned last week for going on a profanity laden tirade in World Events" I thought he said he was just no longer posting? Didn't know he was actually banned. It doesn't matter anyway - he's been banned at least once before and somehow wiggled his way back into the admin's good graces. He'll be back.
