Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Believe it or not, I would say, out of the 700,000 APs, over 690,000 read nothing about the attraction before going in. > Where in the world did you come up with that? For someone who complains about Hans that "As though HE knows that I must have known..." you jump in and assume what 700,000 people must have known. Considering that AP's tend to be at least moderately hardcore DLR fans (or they wouldn't have AP's), it seems a stretch to think that over 98% of them (do the math) would have read nothing about it. Heck, if they're AP's, there's a fairly good chance they've been to the Blue Sky Cellar, if nothing else, which has had a full model up for a long time. Plus, Disney's site has had promos and progress reports for months. Me, I haven't ridden yet, but from what I have seen it seems like a hybrid between a FaL-style dark ride C ticket and a more elaborate HM-style E-ticket, which is why most people are probably describing it as a D. Considering something as simple as the Rocket Jets were a D, that hardly seems off the mark, although of course every person's reaction is valid and will vary.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "When I stand back and look at DCA, even with these new additions, it's still going to be the weakest of all Disney Parks. It's such a random hodge podge of architectural messiness." I have called DCA 2.0 a Frankenstein park. It will be a patchwork of disparate parts that have little or nothing to do with the park's theme or the land's theme. But considering what DCA 1.0 was, it's a net improvement and certainly not the worst Disney park. For the worst Disney theme park experiences, you must visit MGM in Florida or Disney Studios in Paris. "while a superior show like Fantasmic was built be almost all angles." You can view Fantasmic! from three angles to World of Color's four angles. World of Color does not look great from the sides, but it does look okay from behind. You cannot view Fantasmic! from behind, and if you could, it might not work that well.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Considering something as simple as the Rocket Jets were a D, that hardly seems off the mark*** At opening, or where they ALWAYS a D? I ask because, let's face it, things get stale. When the Tiki Room first opened it was an E. Who would burn an E ticket on THAT these days (assuming they still existed)? I did notice that about Star Jets (as well as Dumbo being a C way back when), but those were "sophisticated" ride systems for their time just like the birds were. Nowadays? Not so much.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***MGM in Florida*** Disagree. Don't get me wrong, MGM does suck, but it has ALWAYS had a more coherent presentation than DCA ever did and this 2.0 version is no exception. Pretty much the movie studios parks are all the weak links in the Disney armor (which is sad, because Universal proves it CAN be done right), and I count DCA among them too as it's sort of a hybrid movie studio concept that doesn't know what to do with itself.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "Considering something as simple as the Rocket Jets were a D, that hardly seems off the mark, although of course every person's reaction is valid and will vary." Be careful with using historical ABC-Ticket designations as signs of an attraction's quality or complexity. When we say that the Rocket Jets were a D-Ticket, it doesn't just say something about its complexity. The D-Ticket was basically the price paid to ride it, and such things as capacity and popularity must be taken into account. That is, I don't think the Rocket Jets was a very high capacity attraction, and yet it was probably popular for what it was. So you charge more for it. If I judge The Little Mermaid ride based solely on complexity, then it is a C-Ticket. This says nothing about its artistic merit. I found it to be an amazing C-Ticket. But if I'm looking at what to charge for it, it would probably be a D-Ticket for a little while due to its popularity. Then I would eventually charge a C-Ticket due to its capacity.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "Don't get me wrong, MGM does suck, but it has ALWAYS had a more coherent presentation than DCA ever did and this 2.0 version is no exception." The studio backlot presentation and theme isn't that great to begin with. At the very least, DCA 2.0's Hollywood will invoke 1940s Hollywood, an era lost to time.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I have always prefered DCA to MGM, in each of their incarnations. Heck, I prefer WDSP to MGM/DHS
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <At opening, or where they ALWAYS a D?> It was a D from the time they debuted on top of the PM platform (1967) right until the end of ticket books. The earlier version on the ground, I believe, were a C like Dumbo. <Be careful with using historical ABC-Ticket designations as signs of an attraction's quality or complexity.> I understand this, and have made this point myself many times. But this actually makes it MORE likely, IMO, that LM would be a D if they still had tickets (though all such arguments are academic, really, since they haven't had individual tickets for a long time, and they don't plan the parks in any way around such a concept any more). But for fun's sake, let's say they still had tickets. No way they charge a C for a 6 minute omnimover when a). they'd still be getting C tickets for 2 1/2 minute FaL dark rides (and they would, because B tickets were for even less sophisticated attractions like the Motor Boats and Main Street Cinema), b). it's new, and therefore there will be a demand for it, and therefore they'd have charged what they thought they could get, as you also acknowledged. <Then I would eventually charge a C-Ticket due to its capacity.> The biggest people-eaters in DL were usually E's, though. As long as they brought in the crowds, they didn't reduce the ticket price just because they were efficient.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "As long as they brought in the crowds, they didn't reduce the ticket price just because they were efficient." I understand. I'm just telling you what I would do.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I have always prefered DCA to MGM, in each of their incarnations. Heck, I prefer WDSP to MGM/DHS*** Can we at least agree that all three suck, and are the weakest of all the Disney offerings around the world? (I would throw HKDL to the wolves, except that it IS a Magic Kingdom and that goes a lot way even when sub-par)
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones DCA is now better than MGM, WDSP, HKDL and Animal Kingdom on day 1 (I hate zoos).
Originally Posted By Mr X You totally lost me on DAK. I was there pretty close to day 1, and it was lush, beautiful, and completely immersive. Now, I think it's fair to say that you PREFER DCA because you don't like zoos, but honestly it's a big stretch to claim "better"...DCA is still an ugly, patchwork quilt of a place with some highlights here and there (arguably a worse quilt now than ever). Doesn't hold a candle to DAK. No way. I would agree with the others except HKDL is a bit of a stretch too. Besides the Magic Kingdom bias (let's face it, it's pretty hard to screw up Walt Disney's vision TOO much, try though they might these days...the brilliance of the design is just too excellent to begin with).
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Ah, sigh! This last post is EXACTLY what I was talking about! Seems like the Dr. doesnt wish to discuss, rather focus this on the PERSON." Sorry, I just find it suspicious that you came from out of nowhere and posted your detailed analysis of the attraction. Considering you are a LP newbie and this is your first thread you are surprisingly defensive.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Interesting, I think DAK is better than most Disney parks out there, with only Disneyland, Disneyland Paris and Epcot beating it in my experience.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I have always prefered DCA to MGM, in each of their incarnations.> Me too.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Interesting, I think DAK is better than most Disney parks out there, with only Disneyland, Disneyland Paris and Epcot beating it in my experience*** Missed one. (yeah, I know you said "in my experience", but I STILL had to throw it in there since it is arguably the best one of all!)
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin haven't been on the ride yet, but the youtube video looked pretty good
Originally Posted By Mr X ***You've never been to DLP, so how do you know?*** Nor have you been to DisneySea. In any case, I wrote "arguably". Very few people I've talked to place it near the bottom, anyway. Besides, I have Disneyland (the original) as a means for comparison. Sure, some claim that Paris is the best Magic Kingdom, but nobody claims it's leaps and bounds better than the original.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Doesn't hold a candle to DAK. No way." Yes way. DAK is a beautiful park, but very short on content. DCA on the other hand is nice and very strong on content.
