Originally Posted By skinnerbox Jiminy Cricket! What is wrong with you regulars?? I just got back home from two days of very painful medical testing which will take several days to recover from, to find this thread and the Poster Derangement Syndrome that permeates it. This new fool is playing all of you for suckers. He completely dominates and controls the thread. And you folks step right up to the plate and fully participate! Do I have to slap each and every one of you WE regulars for this? Especially after what we've all been through with the Troll-o-Matic nonsense from Beau? Hans, Dabob, X... Step away from your keyboards and walk away from the thread. Now. You folks should all know better.
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Originally Posted By skinnerbox Hey, if folks willingly want to play with trolls who post crap like this, that's their problem. But they lose all credibility in complaining about the sock puppets in WE, by engaging in threads like this. At least I expect them to acknowledge and accept their behavior for what it is. The "new poster" created a thread simply to make other posters dance in, to his tune, to get his control freak jollies off. Which is precisely why the trolls keep coming back with new sock puppet names elsewhere on the boards. They love making other posters dance to their tune. They totally get off on it. Go ahead and dance, if that's what makes you happy, guys. But you've lost all of my respect by doing so, given how much you despise the sock puppet dance routine in the other threads.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "I just got back home from two days of very painful medical testing which will take several days to recover from," Sorry to hear that, SB. Hope you have a speedy recovery. And you're quite right of course. Dftt.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Hans, Dabob, X..." Um, excuse me, but I was the one who identified the person as The Troll. I'm done participating with it... er... him.
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Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Hope everything is ok Skinnerbox, keeping you in my positive thoughts.
Originally Posted By ilovefunthings To those of you who thought TLM ride was a "little filler ride" that was not intended to be marketed and publicize wide to the masses, may I present to you Exhibit A, a grand opening with Alan Menken, the scorer of TLM movie, the voice of the original Mermaid singing on stage and the cast of the broadway show built on a special stage filmed/taped by dozens of major media news organizations from around the world! Hence, TLM is considered a MAJOR ride, which puts it in the category of one of the biggest major disappointments of a Disney ride in the last decade! Enjoy the pix courtesy of the many non-Banana friends from Miceage! <a href="http://micechat.com/forums/disneyland-resort/154566-live-little-mermaid-opening-celebration-dca.html" target="_blank">http://micechat.com/forums/dis...dca.html</a>
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Thanks, Dave and Dave. I'll be OK in a few days. Recovery simply takes time.
Originally Posted By crapshoot << Hence, TLM is considered a MAJOR ride, which puts it in the category of one of the biggest major disappointments of a Disney ride in the last decade!>> Your reasoning for classifing this as an obvious "E-Ticket" (Major Ride) is certainly flawed. It is certainly nice that they had proper opening cerimonies, but that has little to do with the attraction's scope.
Originally Posted By ilovefunthings "Your reasoning for classifing this as an obvious "E-Ticket" (Major Ride) is certainly flawed. " First off, let's look at this post an example to those who accuse ME of thinking that I am right. Read the posters comment. It's not "I think its flawed. Or, I feel you should think that through." It is "CERTAINLY" flawed! As in CRAPSHOOT is right and everyone else who doesnt agree is WRONG! Just wanted to clarify this, since some people on this board have this "you feel you know it all" sentiment. Now, that being said, it's funny Crapshoot should post this, as in, post 1, I clearly call TLM ride a "C" ticket ride with a D grade. Major attraction does not equal "E" ticket for me at least. And not once will you find in any on my posts do I reference TLM ride as an "E" Ticket. Muppet Vision at Disney/MGM had a Huge marketing push behind it yet would never be considered an E Ticket. And I don't feel Toy Story Mania is an E...a solid "D", though had a major marketing push behind it. Many other examples of this. "It is certainly nice that they had proper opening cerimonies, but that has little to do with the attraction's scope." Beg to differ (and, remember, Crapshoot inferred that I was wrong with my evaluation of the opening ceremonies, HENCE, one can state that "Crapshoot is a know it all! Sees things only his/her way!" like some of you attack me on. I will not do this). I will simply say that, the size and scope of this ceremony, with the amount of stars present, and coinciding with the mass media in attendance for Star Tours 2 and TLM, puts TLM ride on a larger scope, I FEEL (note the words, I FEEL! Not, You are wrong! Has little to do with! Your logic is certainly flawed!)
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones It really depends on what is behind your reasoning for labeling an attraction an A, B, C and so on. At one point, The Mark Twain and the Columbia were E-Tickets. At another point, the Tiki Room cost more than an E-Ticket. The Little Mermaid ride would be an E, D or C ticket. It could be an E on opening day and drop down to a C at some point in time.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones The point is that no one factor determined what letter was attached to what attraction. It sounds like today we determine the ABCDE designation by perceived complexity or "bigness" but in reality these designations were determined by a host of factors.
Originally Posted By muggle1000 I agree with the TC in that, the mermaid ride is definitely perceived as a major, anchor attraction for Cali park. And from reading what he says, it simply is not up to snuff. I get it ilovefunthings. I have not been on the ride but I have watched the video and the ride looks sorta below average for what Disney is selling as a big ride. Saw picture too of the line! Haha, so funny, he called it a factory outlet mall. It does look pretty cheap.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "The point is that no one factor determined what letter was attached to what attraction." I do believe that by the time WDW opened one factor was capacity. E tickets were almost always high-capacity shows or rides.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "The Little Mermaid ride would be an E, D or C ticket. It could be an E on opening day and drop down to a C at some point in time." Another point is that DL tickets had a monetary value assigned to them, so we can assume that another criteria management used to assign a category to an attraction was what the perceived value of the attraction was. Over time if an attraction lost popularity it might be reassigned to a more appropriate ticket category. It makes you wonder with newer attractions like Indiana Jones, Splash Mountain, Soarin and ToT if old E tickets like the Matterhorn Bobsleds and the Monorail would still be in the same category today.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "It does look pretty cheap." It looks like a Mexican seafood restaurant. "E tickets were almost always high-capacity shows or rides." Capacity is a big one, but I would guess that the biggest factor was the cost to operate, which is highly correlated with how large the attraction was. If you look at the Disneyland Railroad, which was an E-Ticket every time you boarded, this suggests that operating a genuine steam train route is expensive to do. If you've ever been on a real steam train tourist run, tickets can run upwards of $100. A comparable ticket on a diesel or electric train would be a fraction of that. At the end of the day, most attractions should cover their costs, but I wouldn't sweat the few that don't.
