Originally Posted By Mr X <a href="http://www.gop12.com/2009/11/palin-thanks-dede-for-dropping-out.html" target="_blank">http://www.gop12.com/2009/11/p...out.html</a> Sarah Palin sez... ***I want to personally thank Republican Dede Scozzafava for acting so selflessly today in the NY District 23 race. Now it's time to cross the finish line with Doug Hoffman so that he can get to work for District 23 and the rest of America.*** Later, Republican Dede Scozzafava replied by endorsing the Democrat. <a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/1109/Scozzafava_endorses_Owens.html" target="_blank">http://www.politico.com/blogs/...ens.html</a> ***“In Bill Owens, I see a sense of duty and integrity that will guide him beyond political partisanship. He will be an independent voice devoted to doing what is right for New York. Bill understands this district and its people, and when he represents us in Congress he will put our interests first,” Scozzafava said in a statement. “Please join me in voting for Bill Owens on Tuesday..."*** Bwahahahahahaha.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Even though it's upstate and nowhere near the city, we're hearing a lot about this race. Hoffman is SO far to the right - and doesn't even live in the district - that it's not surprising (but still remarkable) that the Republican who dropped out would support the Democrat. The more you see Hoffman (and we're seeing him a lot in NY), the more fringe you realize he is.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Hoffman is SO far to the right - and doesn't even live in the district - that it's not surprising (but still remarkable) that the Republican who dropped out would support the Democrat. The more you see Hoffman (and we're seeing him a lot in NY), the more fringe you realize he is.<< What's the latest polling? Still looking like he'll win? I mean, it would be amusing to see another Michelle Bachman in Congress...but if we can at all avoid it....
Originally Posted By Dabob2 The Rep. dropout was too recent for any polling post-dropout (that I've seen anyway).
Originally Posted By Mr X ***What's the latest polling? Still looking like he'll win?*** Nate Silver says it's a real tossup and he refuses to call it due to low and unpredictable turnout. He does seem to think the advantage is with the Democrat at the moment... <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/" target="_blank">http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/</a>
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy I wonder how the balloting works in this district? If it's electronic, will Scozzafava be eliminated from the ballot? If it's paper, I assume the ballots are already done and the name of Scozzafava will still appear. I expect that regardless of whether or not the Republican candidate has dropped out of the race, people will still vote for the Republican candidate on the ballot. I don't think that Republicans automatically vote for the Hoffman in this case. Also, if the option to vote a "straight" ticket is offered, the 3rd party candidate has to be voted for specifically in order to override the straight ticket. People that us this mechanism for voting will be voting for a candidate that has dropped out of the race.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo All I can say is: Thank God the moderate Republicans stood up to the American Taliban, otherwise known as the extreme right.
Originally Posted By Mr X Oops. Hoffman conceded. So much for a conservative winning, what actually happened was that the Republicans lost a seat they've held for around 150 YEARS (for real) due to infighting. Bwahahahahaha.
Originally Posted By ecdc Right. While the "liberal" media does all it can to make it a horserace by claiming Republicans are making a huge comeback, this happens. The Virginia and New Jersey governors races are no surprise at all. For the last several decades, the party that won the White House lost those governorships. But for Republicans to lose a seat that was held since the 19th century? That's big news. And it's even more important given how it happened - the crazies of the party intervened and lost. Maybe there's hope after all....
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I gotta say, I did not see this one coming. On another note, it looks like gay marriage may have been defeated in Maine.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>On another note, it looks like gay marriage may have been defeated in Maine.<< A brief setback. People will be raging pissed again and they won't take it lying down. Bigots will continue to die off. Sadly, it's how progress happens - when those stifling it go the way of the dodo.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>So much for a conservative winning, what actually happened was that the Republicans lost a seat they've held for around 150 YEARS (for real) due to infighting. Bwahahahahaha.<< LOL! I find this to be really a good sign. Shows that the whole Sarah Palin/Glenn Beck wing of the party is simply toxic at the polls -- just like they were last November. I am glad that even if the RNC can't seem to find a rational voice, Republican voters seem to be much more reasonable. Losing a seat after 150 years -- wow.
Originally Posted By Mr X I've changed my mind about the future of the Republican party at this point...for a while there I was thinking that the nuts really would take over, but I neglected to remember that most Republican voters (even now) are not nuts. The nutcase voices are simply very, very loud. I predict (gulp...check this thread a year from today if you wanna say "haha X was wrong!", or not) that in the mid-term elections this will come to a head. Palin and the nuts aren't going to slink away just because of a minor bloody nose in New York, no no, they'll try it in spades next year and if the results are even close to the same, the Republican party will finally reject the nuts and get back down to the business of governing and speaking sensibly to voters...in the meantime from 2010-2012ish, the Democrats will have huge majorities in Congress but still get nothing done. Thus spake X.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I doubt it. He (at least) knows what shame is. The republicans - the party he supports through every indignity imaginable - rolled their own candidate into the ditch in favor of some carpetbagger neophyte with zero electability. And they did this for their own ideological purity. And they lost. In fact, they are more responsible for this seat going democrat than anyone else. Ironically, Gingrich was probably right all along - the GOP candidate with the high voter recognition and proven track record in the region might have won it, had she been given the chance. If republicans continue take their cues from people like Palin and Beck, they'll continue to alienate everyone but the foamers. And neither Palin nor Beck is an actual elected official, so they can shoot their mouths off all they want with total impunity. If they're wrong, so what? They've got nothing to lose.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I doubt it. He (at least) knows what shame is." Oh, I beg to differ. The fact he continues to post these threads is proof enough of that, I think.
Originally Posted By mawnck EVIL DEMS STEAL NY ELECTION THROUGH MASSIVE ACORN VOTER FRAUD! (On a related note, wnd.com isn't loading right now. Network congestion, or have they come up with something really yugly for their rabid fans? Don't touch that bat-dial!)
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<The republicans - the party he supports through every indignity imaginable - rolled their own candidate into the ditch in favor of some carpetbagger neophyte with zero electability. And they did this for their own ideological purity.>> For Palin, Rush, Beck, et al, I don't believe it's as much about "ideological purity" as it is money. These individuals are making HUGE boatloads of cash spewing this conservative crap over the airways or through books or speaking engagements. That's the real reason they're forcing themselves into the driver's seat on the GOP bus. Identify the prejudices, push the crazy base fear buttons, get everyone riled up with doom and gloom, then sell their words-o-wisdom to anyone foolish enough to buy it. If Palin/Rush/Beck/Hannity/O'Reilly/Coulter/Malkin couldn't sell their books or get multi-million dollar broadcasting contracts or be paid hundreds of thousands to speak at moron gatherings, we'd never hear from them. They do it for the money. It's about the money, it's always been about the money. Ideology be hanged. They're just siding with the group who's dumb enough to pay them the big bucks after their base emotions have been jolted.
