(Lots) of Room(s) at the Inn(s) ...

Originally Posted By dshyates

In the past 10 years the middle class of this country has been flushed down the toilet by this and to a certain degree the former.
Yes, mrkthompsn, their is a component of the poor who a white trash welfare babies and other do nothin groups. But no one here is expressing compassion for their particular plight.
But a much larger componet of the lower class today are the people affected by outsourcing labor and technical jobs, downsizing, and the flood of illegal labor. Not to mention the morgage debacle that you also blame on the poor.
This component is the 45 year old middle manager with one kid in college and one in high school that lost his job of 22 years at Hasbo, when the manufacturing positions he managed were sent to china. He now has resumes out all across the country to other companies who sent their jobs to china. But even if he could get another management job somewhere else, he couldn't sell his house, that is going into forclosure because the interstate Waffle House doen't pay like Hasbro did, with crack heads is incompassionate and arrogant.
And I love the rich blaming the poor for the morgage debacle. That is very rich. It was the loan companines and the Bush administration that lobbied congress and senate to change the law to allow sub-prime morgages. The Bush administration wanted it so they could claim the highest percentage of home ownership that this country has ever seen, and then openly brag, I said brag about this achievement. Check out this on the White House website.

<a href="http://tinyurl.com/2bpdek" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/2bpdek</a>

I see that they failed to mention the record number of forclosures that this country has ever seen that followed this "achievement".
So the rich guys changed the law that prevented this from happening, then the loan companies decended on the poor like vultures, and this is somehow the poor's fault?
Then Bush bails out the loan companies that he partnered with to make this happen. Countywides stock jumped 12% after the announcenment yesterday. And still in the next 90 days 7 million families will lose their homes because the bail out doesn't include homes with late payment histories even if they are current now. These 7 million families whose homes are in forclosure probably have a spotted payment history.

 

Originally Posted By SuperDry

Oh, brother.

 

Originally Posted By MPierce

This is better than any of the Presidential debates so far. Please don't stop now.

 

Originally Posted By mrkthompsn

I like to be out of touch. With this world gone so crazy, why in the world would I want to be IN touch?

By the way, I never voted for W. The Democrats are lucky to have him. He's spent more of your (the earners) property that Clinton, Carter and Johnson combined. Good riddance when he's gone. But at least we don't have Gore or Kerry. That would have been significantly worse.

It's interesting to read all the fodder about the "rich" being crooks and stealing your money. But the opposite is the case when it's the government. The government not only confiscates your earned property (contrary to your human rights), they do it by the force of a gun. No complaints about that?

 

Originally Posted By dshyates

So you think that "liberals" like it when governmants spend money like drunken sailors?
You think "liberals" like taxes, don't you. Conservitive talk radio has demonized liberals to the point that everytime a conservitive tells me what "liberals" like or want, they use the most insane, I mean absolutely insane statements and declare it true.
mrkThompsn, with statement like the one above discussion is useless. All right all liberals want to give all the money to the government so they can provide non-existent healthcare and government cheese. Yep, you got us figured out, your impressive brain power has cracked the code.

 

Originally Posted By mrkthompsn

The things I believe: (my Hall of Presidents speech)

~ The Declaration of Independence is right.
~ The Constitution is right.
~ The Constitution does not legally exist without the Declaration of Independence.
~ The Bill of Rights is right.
~ The other amendments (not including prohibition or income tax) are right.
~ The Founding Fathers were right-wing liberals.
~ Hilter was left wing, and was evil.
~ Martin Luther King was right-wing, and was a hero
~ The Christian Coalition is by-in-large left-wing.
~ The only way to acheive true peace is through the salvation of Jesus Christ.
~ Bush is not a fascist
~ Clinton is not a fascist
~ There are no black people... or white people either. Just one continuous spectrum if the world's population stood side-by-side.
~ The population of poor people in the USA is .000000000001% of the total.
~ The poor in America have nothing in comparison with the poor in Sudan, India, Bangladesh, etc. With opportunities alone (even the most crude), the American poor have nothing to complain about (even Katrina).
~ People the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives.
~ People have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not interfere with the equal right of others by force or fraud to live in whatever manner they choose.
~ If it wasn't a "right" back in 1787, then it isn't a right today. This goes for health care, social security, employeement, housing, drivers licenses, the passing lane, etc.
~ The government can only take or not take. It cannot give without first taking.
~ Democracy is not good.
~ A Federal Republic is good.
~ The United States is not a Democracy (thank God)
~ A Democracy or a Federal Republic begins a process of self-destruction when its population realized that it can vote themselves portions from their own treasury.
~ By decree of the Constitution, The United States legally does not exist without official federal and state recognition of our Creator and(or) our Lord Jesus Christ... and that recognition does NOT violate the First Amendment.

Yeah. I'd say I'm WAY out of touch. But I'm right.

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

^^Even though I agree with a good 3/4ers of what you wrote, I'd say you're very out of touch.

It's the other 25% that scares the crap out of me, especially religion -- the one true and complete evil in the world today. When George Bush or Mike Huckabee invoke their concept of God (and I never said I was anti-God, just anti-organized religion), I just cringe because I know it means I'm one of tens of millions that are outsiders in their 'faith' and I always will be.

I want a moral ethical man or woman in the White House (yeah, I know when's the last time we've had one), but I absolutely don't want one making decisions based on their 'faith' ... to me that's just a bit better than flying planes into buildings because you believe you're going to get 72 virgins in a place that doesn't probably doesn't exist.

You see Jesus may be your Lord, but he's just my lawn man (I think he's here legally but I'm not really sure kinda like the idiot who ran Massachusetts!)

And no one in a country that isn't a theocracy should run a country of many 'faiths' and viewpoints according to their religions beliefs because my doing so they are going to alienate, if not outright discriminate, against many.

Sorry, but we're not a country based on one faith yet (thank God or Oprah or Walt).

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

<<This is better than any of the Presidential debates so far. Please don't stop now.>>

Well, we likely have more intelligent people on this forum than are running for the White House from both parties!

But you just like conflict, MPierce.

The Spirit really, really likes you!

 

Originally Posted By SuperDry

<<< ~ If it wasn't a "right" back in 1787, then it isn't a right today. This goes for health care, social security, employeement, housing, drivers licenses, the passing lane, etc. >>>

Or how about being counted as more than 3/5 of a person in the census?

 

Originally Posted By Brian Noble

>>>The population of poor people in the USA is .000000000001% of the total.<<<

Interesting. There are about 300M people in the US, or 3*10^8. You think 1*10^-14 of them are poor. That's less than one full person.

Then again, if some of them are really only 3/5ths of a person, I guess that works out.

Oh, and my wife, who votes in every election down to local school boards, would like a word with you about the whole only 1787 thing.

 

Originally Posted By mrkthompsn

A census count is not a right.

 

Originally Posted By mstaft

IMHO, "Religion" is not evil. Men and women who ABUSE people in the name of faith to gain power is evil. That is just as immoral and lying, cheating, stealing, muder, etc. The Ten Commandments had it right. And yes, we do need a savior.

 

Originally Posted By mstaft

^^^... and we need an edit function!

 

Originally Posted By mrkthompsn

even if there is no room at the inns.

 

Originally Posted By mrkthompsn

<~ The only way to acheive true peace is through the salvation of Jesus Christ.>

This was a direct quote from Martin Luther King, Jr. by the way.

 

Originally Posted By MPierce

You know only Spirit can start a thread like this. Here's his initial post.

>>> Disney has a large marketing campaign here in Florida print for discounted rooms from 1/1-2/13 for residents. The same discounts are being offered to APers.

The rooms are $49 at values, $99 at mods and $149 at Saratoga Springs, with other deluxes available at various rates (I think WL is going for $199).

This is a usual time for discounting, although starting on New Year's Day is a bit early considering the World celebrates Christmas thru 1/6 or 1/7.

And those rates are awfully low, except for the mods ...

So do you guys think this is a reflection in the softness in bookings due to the GREAT economic conditions in the USA or do you think this is just typical?

I'm not real sure myself ... and my sources on booking levels has already gone on extended Turkey Week vacation.

Thoughts ...<<<

It has managed to morph into a politcal, religious, and philosophical debate. Man, and some people would call this a mere forum of Disney Geeks! If we all had a video camera hooked up to our computer I think we might be able to unseat Bill O'riely from that number 1 slot of cable news commentator. Maybe even unseat Rush Limbaugh as the #1 talk radio program. If nothing else it certainly is never dull, and always entertaing over here at LaughingPlace.com.

 

Originally Posted By hopemax

> If it wasn't a "right" back in 1787, then it isn't a right today. This goes for health care, social security, employeement, housing, drivers licenses, the passing lane, etc.

So that whole amendment process is unnecessary?

 

Originally Posted By DouglasDubh

None of the amendments have added rights. All they've done is extended rights to more people. And none of the things Mrkthompsn listed were added by amendment.

 

Originally Posted By hopemax

>None of the amendments have added rights.

Not even those first 10 that were added in 1791?

 

Originally Posted By DouglasDubh

All those did was recognize rights, not add them.