Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>First, I'm not in management. Don't make assumptions.<< That's not what my friends tell me.., unless of course... we are all confusing you with that other ... person. >>Third, it's a common enough phrase in Entertainment that "Tokyo does Disney better than Disney does," but you know what? I live and work HERE. I support my friends HERE. I praise their hard work and commitment HERE.<< ...and guess what? I don't give a darn about what you do or praise HERE! I am talking about quality that exceeds my expectations... and your friends DON'T do that for me. But thanks for stating above what we both know so so well.. But alas!! Guest what!!!??? I live HERE and support my WDW friends by going to the parks regularly. >>It seems to me that it's always easiest for outsiders to rip things apart<< An outsider? Hardly... I too was a CM and now a guest who *pays* for Disney quality that falls a bit short at times. I think that gives me the right to be as positive or negative as I want to be. As for those of you "insiders"... ha! I would be a millionaire if I got a penny for every time CMs b*** and m**** about WDW's working conditions and salary. Trust me, you insiders can be just as vile or worst than me. Of course... maybe you need to lower yourself to custodial or food hostess work to understand not all is lovely at the Kingdom. >> I've worked here for 15 years. Cinderellabration was NOT here for those 15 years.<< Is that supposed to impress me?? HAHAHA.. I worked as a CM long before you did and during one of WDW's most exciting times... Tencennial, 15th anniversary... etc etc... and while I am not interested in impressing anyone, I have spent more than your short 15 years with Disney traveling the World of Disney locally and abroad. My experiences at all of these parks give me some credibility to praise and criticize, and as long as I am the paying guest and you are the performer under a rubberhead... I shall praise/criticize your performance. It's just that simple. >>Cinderellabration was NOT here for those 15 years. << True, but... Did you know that long before you were born, the original production of "Cinderellabration" played at the MK during the late 70s once a year... on new year's eve? ...and that even though it was presented once a year, it was far more glamorous and beautiful to look at over your Scream Along with Ricky show?? >>You realize that there is more than just one park here, right?<< ...and a million hotels as well. Why do you think the overall quality of the place as a whole is down several notches?? >>It's possible to work in other parks and not be exposed to shows in OTHER parks and thus not know much about them.<< That is part of the problem with you CMs now a days... you do NOT KNOW the product. How can you be of service to guests, much less come up with an informed opinions/criticism if you are unfamiliar with the aspects of WDW's entertainment pass the rides and other offerings? >>there is a difference between being a fan and being obsessive. I leave it to you to examine yourself and discover which you are.<< I don't need to examine myself or have you tell me to do so. I am very much a major fanatic of the Disney parks and very much obsessed with the quality it should represent and offer guests, FOR THE PRICE PAID. I make NO apologies for my point of view as opposed to you CMs making excuses to justify every little thing WDW does. Now you on the other hand... could you be so brainwashed by the pixie dust that you can't come up to admit there is room for improvements in some areas and in particular... about the castle stage shows?? Because that is ALL I am trying to say. C'mon, admit it. Your show is just cheap when compared to similar productions at the other WDW parks and Disney parks around the World. The new "talking" heads are a nice improvement that exceeded my expectation but that along does little to elevate this production to a higher plateau. Sorry but that is how I feel.
Originally Posted By HydraLing <<That's not what my friends tell me.., unless of course... we are all confusing you with that other ... person. >> Please, tell me who your friends are so that I may clarify things for them. And also, I have no I idea who "that other...person" may be. <<I live HERE and support my WDW friends by going to the parks regularly.>> Your comments or questions about being "ashamed" don't seem to support this statement. <<An outsider? Hardly... I too was a CM...>> You WERE a CM. You are not NOW one. Thus, you ARE an "outsider." Don't let your bitterness at not being able to do what you WANTED to do a WDW cloud your vision. Clearly, you are bitter about SOMETHING and you're taking it out on current CM's. And, clearly, you DO have issues if you believe that Foods or Custodial are "lower" than Entertainment. They work just as hard as we do, only in a different way. I've had close friends who have been in both departments. Again, don't assume YOUR baggage or issues are mine. I respect all CM's and recognize their contribution to the whole that is WDW. <<My experiences at all of these parks give me some credibility...>> No. It only gives you an OPPINION. I, too, have traveled Disney's world and seen what other parks have to offer, so, by your logic, I have just as much credibility. You're living in your arrogance. Please stop. <<How can you be of service to guests, much less come up with an informed opinions/criticism if you are unfamiliar with the aspects of WDW's entertainment pass the rides and other offerings? >> I am of service to Guests by providing the best performance I possible CAN at each venue. We, inside the company, are NOT obsessive, as a whole and DON'T always spend our off-time attending every show. We DO have real lives and have to clean the house and mow the lawn and take care of the kids. Again, your arrogance is showing. Better tuck it in. <<I make NO apologies for my point of view as opposed to you CMs making excuses to justify every little thing WDW does.>> Again, and please wake up and notice THIS time, I make no apologies for this show. While it may not be up to YOUR standards, it is STILL the best thing on that stage in close to a decade. We perform for nearly 25,000 people DAILY. It GATHERS crowds where other shows have lost them. <<Your show is just cheap when compared to similar productions at the other WDW parks and Disney parks around the World.>> Yes, when compared to other show (and by "around the World," I can only assume you mean Tokyo, since I've seen Hong Kong and Paris shows and know what they have to offer.) Structurally and with regards to the budget, we can't provide what Tokyo does. We CAN'T have the lifts and drops they have. If you're a former CM, then you KNOW this and I'll call you on judging us from that perspective. AGAIN, I point out that TDL is NOT Disney. Their business practices and budgets have NOTHING to do with the US based company. They LEASE the brand. That's all. We DO have creative control over them (to a certain extent), but they have the luxury of a budget entirely independant of us. << The new "talking" heads are a nice improvement that exceeded my expectation...>> Huh...so we exceeded your expectations. Hmmm. Seems you just double-talked yourself out and negated most of your negative statements. Again...STOP being negative. If you have something constructive to offer, I'll gladly pass it along. Until you do, drop your drama and baggage. I came into these forums to head off incorrect "guesses" about our technology and point you in the right directions when possible. I came to tell you all how much the cast appreciates the POSSITIVE comments. (And we DO read these posts in the greenroom on a regular basis.) But if all YOU can offer is negativity and scorn, then just LEAVE. Disney, as a concept, image and reality has been about positive experiences. Yes, at times the company had drifted, but there are STILL positive ways to voice your opinions. Please...either learn how to voice them positively or vacate UNTIL you DO learn how. For now, I'm done addressing you and others of a similar negative and argumentative frame of mind. For the rest of you, I welcome your comments, both positive and critical, as long at they're stated in a respectful manner. I am willing to pass along suggestions for improvement or kudos to the cast. I'm even willing to answer honest questions, as long as I feel it doesn't breech my confidentiality agreement with the company. To those of you who HAVE been respectful and possitve...thank you. It is appreciated.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Hey, are you sure you are a performer? Seems to me you are more of one of those who write those lovely..."we sincerely apologize for..." generic letters guests get from Guest Relations when faux pas occur. >>Please, tell me who your friends are so that I may clarify things for them. And also, I have no I idea who "that other...person" may be.<< In the same way you don't breech your confidentiality agreement with Disney, nor do I to my friends. >>You WERE a CM. You are not NOW one. Thus, you ARE an "outsider." Don't let your bitterness at not being able to do what you WANTED to do a WDW cloud your vision.<< What I wanted to do at WDW? That makes no sense. The day I left Disney for a much better job and pay was the happiest day of my life. >>Your comments or questions about being "ashamed" don't seem to support this statement.<< But you are not my friend, are you? So I asked *you*, and you ONLY, and I beleive you already answered "no". >>Clearly, you are bitter about SOMETHING and you're taking it out on current CM's. << Where the heck have you been for the past 5 years I have been here??? Everyone knows I am bitter about the drop in quality in some areas of WDW...maintenance, entertainment, food choices, and hiring needs in Casting. How much more clear can I be? And I have always blamed MANAGEMENT for those issues and never the cast, even when there are a few CMs who do NOT deserve to be there. >>And, clearly, you DO have issues if you believe that Foods or Custodial are "lower" than Entertainment. << Au contraire... Custodials are the most important aspect of WDW or any Disney park. The reason why I am upset is because WDW has allowed this aspect of the park to deteriorate badly. As for food... I am not ashamed of the fact that I worked as a Food Host at the MK before moving on to Guests Services at the Contemporary... On the other hand, those of you who work in entertainment have this wholly than most attitude that you are too good to bend over and pick up trash if you saw it, and similarly I see many other CMs in non-custodial work who do not bother. reason why I take the time to compliment any non-custodial CM I see going well beyond the call of duty and doing their part to keep WDW clean. So don't twist my words to further your pollyanna agenda. >>don't assume YOUR baggage or issues are mine.<< I am not assuming anything. It's clear you don't share my opinions on what's important here or else, we would agree in the middle somewhere. >>We, inside the company, are NOT obsessive, as a whole and DON'T always spend our off-time attending every show.<< You don't have to be obsessive to be knowledgeable about the product. But in the same way you say you do your part by performing to the best of your capabilities, your knowledge about Disney in general is a part of that as well.. Forgive me if back in the days, we were able to provide an answer to guests' questions without the need to look it up in the computer or in a cast pocket card. >>Huh...so we exceeded your expectations. Hmmm. Seems you just double-talked yourself out and negated most of your negative statements.<< No. It means that I can be fair minded as well, unlike you in regards to my opinions. But I don't care about that... as there are bigger sharks in these laughing waters to deal with. >>Structurally and with regards to the budget, we can't provide what Tokyo does. We CAN'T have the lifts and drops they have. If you're a former CM, then you KNOW this and I'll call you on judging us from that perspective.<< I agree. The biggest mistake they ever did at the forecourt was building a permanent (and small) stage, unlike the temporary custom-made ones in TDL. >>when compared to other show (and by "around the World," I can only assume you mean Tokyo, since I've seen Hong Kong and Paris shows and know what they have to offer.)<< You assume wrong. I meant ALL of the parks.. Paris, HK and CA included besides Tokyo. I too know what ALL of them offer and it't still much better than what we get at WDW. >>I point out that TDL is NOT Disney. Their business practices and budgets have NOTHING to do with the US based company. They LEASE the brand.<< THAT is exactly the "shame" I refer to!! Why can't the company that OWNS the brand do as good??? I think it's pathetic that a company leasing the name and characters can do better. Speaks volumes about the current state of entertainment at WDW. Exactly what my gripe is!!! ..and you are justifying Disney's going cheap with your point of view. My rant is based on wanting the very best entertainment from Disney and those of you "insiders" and management do not seem interested in exceeding guests' expectations. Notice the only gasp you get from your audience is when the pyro goes off... >>But if all YOU can offer is negativity and scorn, then just LEAVE.<< Who the **** made you a moderator to tell me to LEAVE? That is not for you to decide. The day the owners of this page ask me to leave, I will. I just offered a positive comment about the taking heads and you still shut me down. Seems to me you want to just dwell on the negative aspects of my opinions, with little validity to the positive points I bring on. >>Please...either learn how to voice them positively or vacate UNTIL you DO learn how.<< Again, you are not a moderator here and have absolutely no right whatsoever to ask me or anyone to leave or vacate this board. I don't own you any explanations about how to voice my opinions so get off your high horse Cinderella. Or is that Pollyanna???
Originally Posted By Roger55 HydraLing#55 "LEAST EXPENSIVE? Really. REALLY? C'mon" HL#56 "TDL...since this discussion group is about the CHARACTERS, I'd say that's a silly question." HL#60 "Second, since you seem to NOT like any other park, why bother particating in here?" "If all you can do is rip it apart, then please, by all means, find another forum that suits you better." HL#69 "I honestly don't understand why TDLFAN would even participate in a site like this if they had such strong negative feelings about WDW's MK" HL#73 "I don't need for you to agree with what I was told by the technicians and designers. Personally, I don't care. For some reason, they felt it was a safety risk around pyro. End of story." HL#77 "Wow...you really have a driving need to be RIGHT, don't you? Perhaps you should seek counciling about that. Just a thought. Your ego seems a bit fragile to be speculating in here." HL#93 "wow. That stick up there must be a pretty long one." HL#103 "You WERE a CM. You are not NOW one. Thus, you ARE an "outsider." Don't let your bitterness at not being able to do what you WANTED to do a WDW cloud your vision. Clearly, you are bitter about SOMETHING and you're taking it out on current CM's. And, clearly, you DO have issues if you believe that Foods or Custodial are "lower" than Entertainment." "I, too, have traveled Disney's world and seen what other parks have to offer, so, by your logic, I have just as much credibility. You're living in your arrogance. Please stop." "Again, your arrogance is showing. Better tuck it in." "STOP being negative. If you have something constructive to offer, I'll gladly pass it along. Until you do, drop your drama and baggage" "But if all YOU can offer is negativity and scorn, then just LEAVE" And of course, the best lesson to be learned from all this... "I welcome your comments, both positive and critical, as long at they're stated in a respectful manner." "To those of you who HAVE been respectful and possitve...thank you" And I would like to extend a big THANK YOU too for all you WONDERFUL examples of positive remarks and showing of respect towards others. Wish I could have done a better job following your lead.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy I'm going to need a set of program notes to follow all that's going on in this thread....
Originally Posted By HydraLing Alright. That's it. I'm tired of you both stroking your own ego's. Either you're here to discuss Disney or you're not. Clearly, the two of you are here to inflate your own egos and feel superior. I get that. Your kind seem to gravitate to the fringes of Disney. I leave you to your public emotional-masturbation. I thought people would be interested in learning more about the show, but I see now that I was wrong. I leave you to your misguided speculations and ill-informed guesses. You seem to be happier living in your own personal Fantasylands than you would be learning anything real. Please. Continue. Without me.
Originally Posted By Socrates As a long-time Disney fan, I'm always interested in a diversity of opinions about the company. I especially enjoy the viewpoints of current cast members and hope they will continue to visit this forum and provide their insights. Socrates "I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance."
Originally Posted By smctopia Welcome to LP, HydraLing. We enjoy hearing about the new show but I recommend that you read some posts by other members on here, especially in the TDR section. You'll see that TDLFAN is not making these comments to personally attack you or the work you do. He truly cares about quality and the parks. I know I speak for many when I saw that when I see he posts, I can always expect a well-written post with valid points expressed within it. Please don't fly off the handle at him or other long-time posters that contribute to this community. Based on your comments on here, if I ever encountered your attitude from a CM at the park, I would promptly complain about you to Guest Services. Visit Walt Dated World <a href="http://waltdatedworld.bravepages.com" target="_blank">http://waltdatedworld.bravepag es.com</a>
Originally Posted By Labuda Ok, I really didn't want to get involved in this, BUT... "<<My experiences at all of these parks give me some credibility...>> No. It only gives you an OPPINION. I, too, have traveled Disney's world and seen what other parks have to offer, so, by your logic, I have just as much credibility. You're living in your arrogance. Please stop." TDLFAN is a longstanding, respected member of this community who REGULARLY travels to ALL of the Disney resorts worldwide. YOu are a 15-year WDW CM, and therefore I expect that if you've been to the overseas parks, it's been maybe one visit. His opinion is going to be much more credible than yours, as he has current-day comparisons he can make.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Well I appreciate all that support and respect from you guys, but I also want to say that Hydra should be cut a break. After all, she/he? is a CM and oftentimes, those who are within Disney do tend to be very protective of whatever they do for Disney, to the point they can't take criticism, even when it's directed to their line of work or duties. Notice all I asked was if she was "ashamed" due to what I concider a weak link in the WDW experience...the live shows at the MK. She opted to take that personally, when a simply "yes" or "no" answer and why would have sufficed. But whatever.
Originally Posted By Socrates "Notice all I asked was if she was "ashamed" due to what I concider a weak link in the WDW experience...the live shows at the MK. She opted to take that personally..." I suspect there are a lot of people who would have taken it personally. Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Yes, those who can't separate criticism aimed at their employer and take it personally....unless they happen to be part of the problem, maybe?
