Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Coming in 2011. Sony introduces it's new line-up of 19 inch back and white TV's! <<< Call it iTV, the lemmings will buy it. (and that's coming from a person who only uses Mac.)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I never get bored with beauty, and the classic architecture that is WS.<<< Exactly. The Pavilions really have those "other layers" that you need to take time to really just walk into and drink in. Ate lunch in Morocco this time, as opposed to a hasty dinner before RoE, and I actually had time to walk through those little back allys and streets and courtyards, and it was incredibly authentic. There's a lovely little museum there, too....I hadn't been in there since 2000, at least. Great, very low level, and layered stuff.
Originally Posted By Disneydanny where's the sound? I've got the volume up and it's not on mute but i still hear nothing
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I worry when even the smart fanbois would rather ride 'rides' than take in the entirety of a theme park experience.>> <<Because that's the main focus of a theme park, Spirit. In my opinion, the rest is icing on the cake. but without the rides, me and a very large precentage of the guests wouldn't be there. >> Of course they wouldn't. You miss my point. They are a crucial part of a visit, but without all the other 'stuff' ... a visit to a park would be lacking. That's why I'd rather visit a Disney park to this day than any other park ... because they do a great job of immersing you in a story ... taking you to another place (real or imagined) ... another time ... another world. That said, folks that just go for the 'rides' truly miss out ... and that's why I'll always make fun of the crackpots who go to MK at rope drop and stay to closing and do nothing but 'ride the rides' except stops for burgers and chicken fingers and bathroom breaks. But I am an elitist!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I can only imagine how much greater WS would be if it had gotten all of it's original attractions. Rhine River Cruise Italy's boat ride Meet the World Ugh.>> Honestly, it would have been greater. ... In the 80s ... and into the 90s. But by now? Those attractions would have needed significant changes or they would have had to be removed. Meet The World, for example, has been gone from TDL for many years now (I want to say 8-9).
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> It's something new, and that's needed in WDW when we don't have a ton of new attractions opening up. New, being the operative word, of course. << <<Coming in 2011. Sony introduces it's new line-up of 19 inch back and white TV's! >> Thanks, No.1, for making fun of the brat, so I didn't have to!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>> That said, folks that just go for the 'rides' truly miss out ... and that's why I'll always make fun of the crackpots who go to MK at rope drop and stay to closing and do nothing but 'ride the rides' except stops for burgers and chicken fingers and bathroom breaks. But I am an elitist!<<< This sounds like my last trip...had such a blast pin trading, buying D23 mags, and looking for a rare vinylmation. But seriously, there's no shame in getting there at opening. The opening show was fun. And honestly, crowds didn't pick up until 11 or so.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Meet The World, for example, has been gone from TDL for many years now (I want to say 8-9).<<< Just a few, it left for MI. But seriously, all it needed was a update...LIKE COP DOES. TDO reads these boards, right? Heh.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<This sounds like my last trip...had such a blast pin trading, buying D23 mags, and looking for a rare vinylmation.>> That sounds like you! I actually was thinking of you tonight because I wandered by the local Disney outlet and there was a huge line outside. Turns out they were having a pin/geekfest ... a Spirited pal said I should have passed out business cards offering to pick up HKDL and TDR pins this fall for a 'fair' profit! <<But seriously, there's no shame in getting there at opening. The opening show was fun. And honestly, crowds didn't pick up until 11 or so. >> I think there's a lot of shame in getting out of bed before 11 unless you are being paid a great deal of money to do so.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Just a few, it left for MI.>> It's been more than a few. The attraction was closed for years before the building was demo'd ... I believe (help ... Leemac?) they used the facility to handle lottery tickets for the stage shows before it was torn down. <<But seriously, all it needed was a update...LIKE COP DOES. >> I am sure they could have done updating. But I am guessing two things: it wasn't very popular in later years and WDI didn't try and sell any kind of update. <<TDO reads these boards, right? Heh.>> Depends on the subject ... and the posters!
Originally Posted By leobloom >> No offense, but I'm not buying it. Disney hasn't built anything in the US since the mid 80s that isn't a direct response to local compatition. Pleasure Island was built because of Church Street St. MGM because of Universal Studios Florida, DAK because of Busch Gardens Tampa. And it doesn't stop with TDO. DCA I designed to capture the market from it 3 closest cometitors, Knott's, Universal, and Magic Mountain. That is one of the main reason DCA turned out to be a major thematic clusterf***. << Don't forget Living Seas was a response to Sea World, Mission: Space to Kennedy Space Center, and it wouldn't surprise me if the water parks were some kind of response to Wet-n-Wild.
Originally Posted By leemac <<It's been more than a few. The attraction was closed for years before the building was demo'd ... I believe (help ... Leemac?) they used the facility to handle lottery tickets for the stage shows before it was torn down.>> The last day was June 30, 2002. So you were on the money when you guessed 8-9 years. It didn't actually get bulldozered until 2006. It was a pleasure to flick that switch. Meet the World was at best clumsy and at worse ignorant. It was such a pigeon-eyed view of Japanese history and simply jumping from the Meiji Restoration to modern day Japan was to underplay the Japan of 1940s. It could and should have been handled far better. Glossing over the truth just wasn't the right option. Japan may have a nice big unused show building but Meet the World wasn't the right product for Epcot even in '82.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I actually was thinking of you tonight because I wandered by the local Disney outlet and there was a huge line outside. Turns out they were having a pin/geekfest ... a Spirited pal said I should have passed out business cards offering to pick up HKDL and TDR pins this fall for a 'fair' profit! <<< Awww....thanks...Spirit...? You actually have more pins than I, so you can't talk! ;-) But yes, profits in TDR. I'll help.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I think there's a lot of shame in getting out of bed before 11 unless you are being paid a great deal of money to do so.<<< We come from a rare tribe called "Morning People".
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>t was such a pigeon-eyed view of Japanese history and simply jumping from the Meiji Restoration to modern day Japan was to underplay the Japan of 1940s. It could and should have been handled far better. Glossing over the truth just wasn't the right option.<<<< Sounds like their version of CoP, then. And glossing over their history was very in vogue for the loosing countries of WWII. Germany did it as well. Desperately wanting to rejoin the world, which was being subjected by the Truman Doctrine and the Marshall Plan in the midst of the cold war (and it's after effects...) these countries hurriedly tired to push away 20 year old history and tried to show the rest of the world (but mainly the US) that they had recovered, and now were friendly, peaceable allies.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>That's why I'd rather visit a Disney park to this day than any other park ... because they do a great job of immersing you in a story ... taking you to another place (real or imagined) ... another time ... another world.<<< Spirit, you must try Tivoli Gardens next time you are in europe. It gave Walt a lot of his ideas and is more true to it's original mission than Disney is now.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo EE - that is normal for all countries. after all, where is the Korean and Vietnam wars in the American Adventure? Or the Gulf War, or the inhumane treatment at Gitmo.
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ If my understanding of Japanese culture is correct then they didn't take the same route as the Germans. The Japanese have a phrase - Shikata ga nai - which they use to describe WWII. It basically is an admittance to fatalism - sort of "nothing could be done about it". Everything that happened in WWII couldn't have been avoided as it was during wartime. The Japanese were deeply embarrassed to have been on the defeated side and it was a shock. Throughout the Showa era the Japanese were led to believe that they had tremendous military might and that they could defeat anyone. Virtually overnight that belief was squashed by reality. Occupation was relatively brief in Japan but it took a lot longer for the country to begin to regain its pride. The conditions in post-war Japan were horrific - massive people displacement, starvation, high inflation and unemployment. They also felt isolated - they didn't have neighboring countries to support their democratization like Germany did. Germany took a lot longer to accept their country's role in WWII. I've always had the view that you need to admit your failings before you can grow as an individual and the same can be said of a country.
