Originally Posted By leemac <<EE - that is normal for all countries. after all, where is the Korean and Vietnam wars in the American Adventure? Or the Gulf War, or the inhumane treatment at Gitmo.>> Dave - it is about perspective. I hope you aren't trying to equate either the Gulf War or Gitmo as being on the same scale as WWII. Those events are important but only in context and therefore pale into insignificance when compared to the Civil War etc. I don't think that either of your two latter suggestions define a nation. Japan today is defined entirely by their defeat in WWII and the subsequent occupation and industrialization. To ignore WWII is to ignore what Japan has become.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>EE - that is normal for all countries. after all, where is the Korean and Vietnam wars in the American Adventure? Or the Gulf War, or the inhumane treatment at Gitmo.<<< Agreed, of course. These are theme park attractions built to inspire, and be a good pep show. Not that it's wrong, but it is inaccurate, and it should not be treated as gospel fact and be learned from. Though, I do wish that the AA took us beyond WWII. Take us AT LEAST up to Cvil Rights. Do they have room for a added scene?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> The Japanese have a phrase - Shikata ga nai - which they use to describe WWII. It basically is an admittance to fatalism - sort of "nothing could be done about it". Everything that happened in WWII couldn't have been avoided as it was during wartime. The Japanese were deeply embarrassed to have been on the defeated side and it was a shock. Throughout the Showa era the Japanese were led to believe that they had tremendous military might and that they could defeat anyone. Virtually overnight that belief was squashed by reality. Occupation was relatively brief in Japan but it took a lot longer for the country to begin to regain its pride. The conditions in post-war Japan were horrific - massive people displacement, starvation, high inflation and unemployment. They also felt isolated - they didn't have neighboring countries to support their democratization like Germany did. Germany took a lot longer to accept their country's role in WWII. I've always had the view that you need to admit your failings before you can grow as an individual and the same can be said of a country.<<< Well said, LM. While it is a odd way, and roundabout way of admitting ones own past, I suppose that MTW was an offshoot of this, and that's fine in my eyes. No reason for it not to be. Even if it was in EPCOT, I think it would have been met with acceptance, after all, by the time EPCOT was built the war was 40 years old, and we were allies again. Then again...any mention of Japan's bombing of Pearl Harbor is eliminated from FDR's speech in the AA is made inaudible by thunder.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> It's Nahtazu. << I've got Spirit correcting me all the time. Now you too!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> But seriously, there's no shame in getting there at opening. The opening show was fun. And honestly, crowds didn't pick up until 11 or so. << Nobody is saying it's shameful to get there at opening, and leave at closing. It's just the commando attitude that some folks use to go about it. If you don't take the time to look around, and enjoy you are truly missing Disney. Now I know this doesn't apply to you nor most folks here at LP. A lot of very good people put their heart, and soul into designing everything we see there. Not just the rides. To overlook all the beautiful details, and architecture, and planning that went into WDW, and not take it all in is a slap in the face of the generations of people that have spent so much effort to offer top notch family entertainment.WDW should be though of more like an art exhibit rather than just a theme park.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Thanks, No.1, for making fun of the brat, so I didn't have to! >> He left himself wide open for that shot.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I think there's a lot of shame in getting out of bed before 11 unless you are being paid a great deal of money to do so. << Truer words of wisdom have never been spoken.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> We come from a rare tribe called "Morning People". << Is that some kind of ancient pagan practice?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Nobody is saying it's shameful to get there at opening, and leave at closing. It's just the commando attitude that some folks use to go about it.<<< This is true. Commando, we do not do, unless needed (IE skipping a few things to see something big, like the pyro shows.) Can't stand to rush around the parks, though I do get bored easily in the shops. Nothing interesting to see in there. I'd rather just walk around.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>Truer words of wisdom have never been spoken.<<< Don't judge us morning people!!!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer No, 18th Century. A wise man said, then, that "Early to bed, early to rise, make a man healthy, wealthy and wise".
Originally Posted By magnet Your hero had a couple little ditties about lawyers too: God works wonders now and then; Behold a lawyer, an honest man.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Your hero had a couple little ditties about lawyers too: God works wonders now and then; Behold a lawyer, an honest man.<<< So did John Adams! "One useless man is a disgrace, two, a law firm, and three or more, a congress! " I love our Founding Fathers... :-D
Originally Posted By magnet I remember seeing EO during the '80s. It was the very first thing I saw at EPCOT that I hated. I remember thinking to myself how awful I thought it was while leaving the theater. I'm not at all happy to see it return.
Originally Posted By magnet "A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges." Hmmmm. Sounds like someone had some good advice for WDW too, eh?
