Originally Posted By vbdad55 There's cynical and then there's rip everything just for the hell of it...when one travels past cynical to the next step- they should step away IMHO -- it would be healthier for the psrson also. There are things I used to be a fan of and am no longer because they brought me no enjoyment, and worse yet brought nothing but bad feelings...it's okay to move on from anything, including Disney. If Disney ever disappointed me to the point I hated everything, I would be elsewhere.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Wow, and I thought I was cynical. << And you're suggesting I'm missing what precisely about the FL expansion?
Originally Posted By leobloom >> If Disney ever disappointed me to the point I hated everything, I would be elsewhere. << You can be sure I don't pay to visit the place anymore. There's no value in paying what they're charging. I like going once or twice a year for a day, but that's all. If I can vent here, then so be it. When they give me something to praise, I will. Until then I'll just be a grouch at LP--and perfectly adjusted in real life.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Until then I'll just be a grouch at LP--and perfectly adjusted in real life. << I prefer being a grouch at LP, and a malcontent in real life.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "There are things I used to be a fan of and am no longer because they brought me no enjoyment, and worse yet brought nothing but bad feelings...it's okay to move on from anything, including Disney." I hear you. Still, I think the way you reduced the FL expansion down to nothing more than "a new ride and a bunch of places to rub shoulders with underpaid character performers" was a bit harsh.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Ooops, sorry vbdad55 it was vbdad55 who made the comment, not you.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Still, I think the way you reduced the FL expansion down to nothing more than "a new ride and a bunch of places to rub shoulders with underpaid character performers" was a bit harsh. >> But that's what it is. Mermaid and Be Our Guest are welcome additions, but the rest is wasted space/money. Money that could have gone to a thrill ride in Adventureland ot Tomorrowland, which is desperately needed in the MK. I want to be excited for this thing, but I can't be knowing it will just perpetuate the MK's problems.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Well, the whole Belle/Beast/Cindy/Aurora/Mermaid bit of the Fantasyland I'm not upset with. It all makes sense - restaurant, couple meet/greets/ride. If they had announced that alone we'd all be happy. It's what's behind there and toward the train station that is a mess - and it appears WDI knows it. The Dumbo is a practicality of moving Dumbo, so they want to expand - ok, I can deal. But that huuge chunk dedicated to either more meet/greet or a crappy fairy ride? That's where most people say "this sucks."
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Money that could have gone to a thrill ride in Adventureland ot Tomorrowland, which is desperately needed in the MK." You are right about that. Still, that Pooh playpen (or whatever they called it) needed to go. If they spent the money elsewhere in the park I'm sure there would be vocal opposition as well as folks why they aren't fixing Fantasyland. Maybe it's time for the Magic Kingdom to get a full face lift like the one DCA is getting.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Maybe it's time for the Magic Kingdom to get a full face lift like the one DCA is getting. << It's a few years past time. But if they did that--an update of Tomorrowland, Adventureland, and Fantasyland, I wouldn't be nearly as grouchy as I am.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Adventureland is fine, it may need some expansion, but what exists is fine. Even the spinner - it's not doing any harm where it is. Tomorrowland.. well there's a reason people refer to the entrance area as "the vortex of suck."
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Adventureland is fine, it may need some expansion, but what exists is fine. << You're right, it's fine for people who visit MK once every ten years. Jungle Cruise could stand an update, and Tiki Room is Adventureland's version of SGE. But I would take an updated Tomorrowland over Adventureland in a heartbeat.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Both DL and the Magic Kingdom's Tomorrowland could use a major overhaul. DL's is in slightly worse shape in my opinion.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<You are right about that. Still, that Pooh playpen (or whatever they called it) needed to go.>> It would have gone if just Mermaid and BoG was built. <<Adventureland is fine, it may need some expansion, but what exists is fine. Even the spinner - it's not doing any harm where it is.>> Ummmm...no. The spinner does a ton of harm. It completely clashes with the feel of the rest of Tomorrowland, it has that obnoxious camel, and creates horrible bottlenecks. <<You're right, it's fine for people who visit MK once every ten years. Jungle Cruise could stand an update, and Tiki Room is Adventureland's version of SGE. But I would take an updated Tomorrowland over Adventureland in a heartbeat.>> Jungle's been in line for a HM style refurb for years. The day it happens will be a cold day in hell, though I fear.
Originally Posted By mousermerf <<<and creates horrible bottlenecks.>>> Have you seen DL's Adventureland? It is more bottle-necked daily then MK's ever gets in the worst crowds.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub It seems that people at WDW are really into standing in lines to see characters. I was amazed at all the long lines for any character. I don't get it but they do stand and wait. That is the only explanation I can make for the fantasyland expansion. And needing more character meal opportunity. The photospread in the recent LP magazine does make it look like a magical land to walk into. So i am hopeful
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "You're right, it's fine for people who visit MK once every ten years. Jungle Cruise could stand an update, and Tiki Room is Adventureland's version of SGE. But I would take an updated Tomorrowland over Adventureland in a heartbeat." What about Raging Spirits/Temple du Peril for Adventureland? On another note, I think that the new Fantasyland looks pretty cool. The land is mostly for kids and the new stuff is more entertaining for them and will give us adults some eye candy to look at.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> What about Raging Spirits/Temple du Peril for Adventureland? << Ideally, there would be an Indiana Jones ride in Adventureland. I don't know if there's enough room for it, but that's the one thing that makes DL's A-land so superior, IMO.
