Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad I think any upgrades have to be cheered. I know some don't like the expansion we are getting but at least Disney is finally acknowledging that something is needed. At worst we'll end up with a nicer looking area and a dark ride. But we'll also expand usable area which might later get used in a better way. The first step though was to admit they had a problem and at least that has been accomplished
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<What about Raging Spirits/Temple du Peril for Adventureland?>> Ugh...personally that would be a waste. The coaster is themed yes, but it's rough, and the Indiana Jones Adventure would be preferable. <<On another note, I think that the new Fantasyland looks pretty cool. The land is mostly for kids and the new stuff is more entertaining for them and will give us adults some eye candy to look at.>> Sure it'll look nice, but it's designed for 1 demographic: small girls. Everyone else is left out in the rain. Something that's becoming more and more prevalent in the MK. Rides and attractions that are for one demographic instead of all demos. And yes, it'll look nice, but looking nice doesn't get guests through the turnstiles, something that I seriously doubt Fantasy Forrest will do.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I think any upgrades have to be cheered. I know some don't like the expansion we are getting but at least Disney is finally acknowledging that something is needed. At worst we'll end up with a nicer looking area and a dark ride. But we'll also expand usable area which might later get used in a better way. The first step though was to admit they had a problem and at least that has been accomplished>> But what I fear is that this will be it. The MK needs a lot, lot more than this. It needs another thrill E ticket, and maybe a D thrill ticket, along with refurbs for almost all the classics.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Even the spinner - it's not doing any harm where it is. << It stifles my visual sense, and hampers my motor skills.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> But we'll also expand usable area which might later get used in a better way. << You're forgetting we are talking about Team Disney Orlandp here CDD.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Have you seen DL's Adventureland? It is more bottle-necked daily then MK's ever gets in the worst crowds. << And your point being?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >To some folks it can be made to appear that way however. < Sure it is. Look at Tokyo's additions, specifically the one in Tomorrowland. It just has to be good quality to get the pass..
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >There really out to be a display explaining Fantasyland's expansion.< Easily solved with a nice big Blue Sky Chateau...or something.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Ideally, there would be an Indiana Jones ride in Adventureland. I don't know if there's enough room for it, but that's the one thing that makes DL's A-land so superior, IMO. << I think there's a plot of land behind The Swiss Family Robison Treehouse that would accomadate it. I'm sure one of our resident WDW Geeks can confirm or deny that. This is where we need Martin Smith. He would have already had six aerial photographs, as well as a plot survey, of the Magic Kingdom posted by now.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >> Adventureland is fine, it may need some expansion, but what exists is fine. Even the spinner - it's not doing any harm where it is. Tomorrowland.. well there's a reason people refer to the entrance area as "the vortex of suck."<< Can't say I agree about AdvL, it looks like it's falling apart, and the Spinner is it's "wand" if you will. No harm, but blatant aesthetic harm...and that's pretty bad. Same with TL....The front is fine, no "suck" there, it's the back that needs help. (In aesthetics, at least..)
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Sure it'll look nice, but it's designed for 1 demographic: small girls. Everyone else is left out in the rain. Something that's becoming more and more prevalent in the MK. Rides and attractions that are for one demographic instead of all demos." Um... it's it in Fantasyland, a land that generally does not appeal to all demographics. I hear you though - Disney Parks has been trending its offerings more and more towards kids (especially girls) lately. Still, the content of this expansion is appropriate for the land its in (DLR's Mermaid attraction is being installed on a California themed seaside pier??) and the new features look very detailed, therefore I find it hard to complain. With all things considered I give the Fantasyland expansion a pass.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I think there's a plot of land behind The Swiss Family Robison Treehouse that would accomadate it. I'm sure one of our resident WDW Geeks can confirm or deny that.>> That plot wouldn't be able to hold the Indy Adventure. It could hold Raging Spirits/Temple of Peril, but not Forbidden Eye/Crystal Skull. The plot behind Pirates, however, could.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Can't say I agree about AdvL, it looks like it's falling apart,>> No it doesn't. Aesthetics(minus the carpets) aren't Aland's problem. <<and the Spinner is it's "wand" if you will. No harm, but blatant aesthetic harm...and that's pretty bad.>> Yes, exactly.
Originally Posted By mousermerf I can't say I value any opinion that thinks the front of Tomorrowland is fine. That makes me suspect of all your judgments.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> That plot wouldn't be able to hold the Indy Adventure. It could hold Raging Spirits/Temple of Peril, but not Forbidden Eye/Crystal Skull. The plot behind Pirates, however, could. << Is that inside the burm Skipper?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I can't say I value any opinion that thinks the front of Tomorrowland is fine. That makes me suspect of all your judgments.>> Thematically it looks great. The attractions suck, but it looks nice. <<Is that inside the burm Skipper?>> I want to say no, but I'm not exactly sure. Either way, the queue would be super long.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I want to say no, but I'm not exactly sure. Either way, the queue would be super long. << I was thinking it was outside the burm myself, but I just don't know for sure. If they actually built the ride it would need a super long queue to accomodate the crowds. Which would be an added benefit if it was designed in a true Disney fashion. Yes it's fun to dream!
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I was thinking it was outside the burm myself, but I just don't know for sure. If they actually built the ride it would need a super long queue to accomodate the crowds. Which would be an added benefit if it was designed in a true Disney fashion. Yes it's fun to dream!>> Yup, but it would be no longer than the Disneyland queue. Still, Disney doesn't have the guts to build a ride like IJA in the MK. If it's not for the under 10 crowd, it can't exist in the MK. It honestly makes me sick sometimes to see what's become of what's supposed to be the crow jewel of the Disney Vacation Kingdom.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Still, Disney doesn't have the guts to build a ride like IJA in the MK. If it's not for the under 10 crowd, it can't exist in the MK. << They could have Princesses, and Fairies meet, and greets along the way in the Queue. There's got to be at least a couple of Princesses or Fairies that might not already have a meet, and greet. Yes the Magic Kingdom is gradually turning itself into a living relica of It's A Small World.
