Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Once again I call on clear cut examples of the hate. Do you really believe some left wing blog is a good example of anything? I could go find some right wing idiots blog to counter that. I just want actual facts not rhetoric.>> I liked the article I mentioned because it links to actual sources to backup the writer's assertions. But for some people it won't matter. Politics might as well be religion or pixie dust. People don't want to change belief systems. If something is written in the NY Times, then it can't be trusted because they're a bunch of ivy-towered, left-wing elitists, for example. I read a story today in it on the Tea Party movement in which a leading member was quoted as saying the facts don't matter, they just don't like the people who are leading. I don't know how you deal with folks who don't care about facts, although as a Disney fan site regular, I should be used to it! <<I can sit here and say the same thing about the left, and give you examples, but it serves no purpose. And I think there are a lot very good, patriotic, and caring Democrats out there. However when it comes to the far left, we are totally seperated by our ideology on certain issues.>> I never have seen the abject hate and vitriol from the far left that I have from the far right since Obama was elected. I am very moderate, myself. This isn't an issue of politics, so much as it is one of what seems acceptable in the country these days. I wonder what W would have done if folks who had issues with his presidency had started marching on Washington proudly brandishing sidearms and spouting violent rhetoric? What would the government have done if people started attacking offices of GOP Congressmen five years ago? Could go on and on ... I just see people getting away with ... what they might term 'freedom of expression' in a way I've never seen before. >> Oh, and while I really don't want to turn this into WE (although I'm glad some folks are reading and posting again), << <<Neither do I. That's why I'm dropping it until the next time politics enters the arena. I only respond. I never instigate. I would much rather put down....I mean discuss WDW.>> You know Disney has all sorts of amazing things coming ... wizards and state-of-the-art ...ahm (excuse me ... ) ... ah, I was just told the Wizarding World of Harry Potter was opening at someplace called Islands of Adventure that is in some scary place that isn't Disney. So, please disregard the above. How about the MSEP making one of its 31 planned returns to WDW!?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<That is great to hear. He has some of the best info as well as insight on WDW on the net.>> Please, you don't want to give him too big a head. Besides, Mrs. Lee is way more entertaining and I can say pretty safely that she'll never post here or any other Disney fanboi haven! <<I'll even overlook the fact that he is not a big fan of Epcot.>> We all have our faults ... but I would guess he likes EPCOT plenty ... just not as much as some club at TSFKaPI. <<If only you could get TDLFAN posting again. I know it's a lost cause, but still.>> You never know. Anything's possible. Disney could build something in FLA that wows me again ... and TDLFAN could post here. Neither are likely ...
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<She could be nipping on the Stoli again. >> Well, we do know she gives the cheap wine to the daughter!
Originally Posted By Mr X ***While it may be totally different administrations X, I have yet to see this new administration do anything to change the Patriot Act. Why do you suppose that is?*** Because once you give government more power, they NEVER give it back willingly. Nice job, Bush. ***Also, I hate to tell you this but most of the people that voted for the Health Care Bill backed that abomination of a Patriot Act also. It was very much a bipartisan bill.*** Not sure about "most", but I'm very aware that some Democrats supported Bush and I can't for the life of me understand why. And now, seeing how stubborn and obstructionist a well disciplined party can really be, it's even more disappointing. On the other hand, regarding at least SOME of the support Democrats gave to Bush, the fact that he lied to get the support is an important factor to remember. ***If I'm not mistaken Obama has a Secretary of Homeland Security also.*** Government power never given back thing, again. ***>> Oh, and cool Tronorail. << Does TDL or TDS do anything like this. Just curious.*** They have painted up the Monorails in the past, last time was in celebration of the 25th anniversary of the resort I think. Not specifically for movie promotions though, no.
Originally Posted By Mr X <a href="http://bartman905.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/disney1.jpg" target="_blank">http://bartman905.files.wordpr...ney1.jpg</a> <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Tokyo_Disneyland_resort_Monorail.jpg" target="_blank">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...rail.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By Socrates Would anyone agree that the Liberal ideology is by nature more tolerant, more forgiving than the Conservative ideology? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Originally Posted By MPierce I keep trying to walk away from these political discussions, but you guys are making it very difficult. I'm going to have to start posting with my model 29 S.% W. straped on my hip, holding up a sign that says I hate everything, especially the Utopia that is being created for me NOW!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> And it's really hard to believe that people would be lined up FIVE HOURS EARLY for David Cassidy. Ah well, everyone has their superfans . . . << Very interesting X. That looks much more tasteful than the graffiti scrawled over the Monorails from the last WDW Celebration. It's still a far cry from a blatant advertising campaign for a Disney movie in my opinion.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Would anyone agree that the Liberal ideology is by nature more tolerant, more forgiving than the Conservative ideology? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living." << Us vs. them. How tolerate, and forgiving.
Originally Posted By Socrates Perhaps it's a matter of perception? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Originally Posted By MPierce >> And it's really hard to believe that people would be lined up FIVE HOURS EARLY for David Cassidy. Ah well, everyone has their superfans . . . << That was obviously from a different thread. Look you guys just have me so distraught that I am messing up. Let me try it again. >> <a href="http://bartman905.files.wordpr...ney1.jpg" target="_blank">http://bartman905.files.wordpr...ney1.jpg</a> <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...rail.jpg" target="_blank">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...rail.jpg</a> << Very interesting X. That looks much more tasteful than the graffiti scrawled over the Monorails from the last WDW Celebration. It's still a far cry from a blatant advertising campaign for a Disney movie in my opinion.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Perhaps it's a matter of perception? << Perhaps it's a matter of ideology?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>>>>>>>It's still a far cry from a blatant advertising campaign for a Disney movie in my opinion. <<<<<<<<< The CURRENT Tronorials? They look like a billboard on a bus to me, no offense. Or a Las Vegas Monorail... <a href="http://foreclosurenv.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/las-vegas-monorail.jpg" target="_blank">http://foreclosurenv.files.wor...rail.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Pierce said beaver ;-) << That was a 50's Beaver. Not that other beaver!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> The CURRENT Tronorials? They look like a billboard on a bus to me, no offense. << None taken, and I so agreer. Don't you think it would make a darling Disney photo or perhaps a park map cover EE with the tron monorail zooming by using the 25th Anniversary Castle as a backdrop
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Hell, Pierce, keep it in EPCOT and just leave the Wand still up! The sad thing, THIS is the reason the EPCOT Monobeams were cleaned. So they could get their publicity shots.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 >>>> <<<Wow, I'm impressed. seriously.>> Impressed by what? The Tronorail?<<<< No by all the symbols he made.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 <<Well, we do know she gives the cheap wine to the daughter!>> You didn't see how quickly she grabbed it when I offered.
