Originally Posted By leemac It really does break my heart to see this video on the internet. This is the problem with developing a show in-situ for all to see. I just never understand why someone would want to see a "spoiler" of something. It is akin to seeing a video camera recording of a movie in the theater at home before seeing it first-hand. But each to their own.... Yamabuki is entirely correct that this isn't the final show (and I haven't watched the video but just did a comparison of the scenes in the listings) - the psychodelic Alice sequence is breath-taking on the screens (particularly the Cheshire Cat and card sequences). And anyone that questions whether the show's score is only "meh" can take it from me that it Mark Hammond knocks it out of the ballpark with this score. You will hear familiar music in new arrangements that sound phenomenal with the Abbey Road recording (it sent goosebumps up and down my spine when I first heard the final version).
Originally Posted By danyoung >I just never understand why someone would want to see a "spoiler" of something. It is akin to seeing a video camera recording of a movie in the theater at home before seeing it first-hand. But each to their own....< I couldn't agree more, Lee. I like watching construction photos of stuff like the WoC show as it's being built. I even sampled a few of the quickie tests that were videoed. But I haven't watched this runthrough video, and don't plan to. I want the show to be totally fresh the first time I see it this summer!
Originally Posted By Malin I don't see a problem with it, as the video really gives little away. World of Colour is something that needs to be seen in person and not from a video shot from the Grand Californian. All the video has done as far as I'm concern is peaked interest and raise awareness that the show is coming soon. Thanks for posting it LaughingPlace
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 I must admit to not being too impressed until the final moments. I am a sucker for a big, emotional finish. Everything else seemed a little flat, however. I love though that they chose the old theme song, even though about 85% of the crowd are going to have to have it explained to them by the Disney geeks in their group.
Originally Posted By mousermerf <<It really does break my heart to see this video on the internet. This is the problem with developing a show in-situ for all to see. I just never understand why someone would want to see a "spoiler" of something. It is akin to seeing a video camera recording of a movie in the theater at home before seeing it first-hand. But each to their own...>> A couple of things.. If you honestly believed "to each their own" you wouldn't have mentioned it at all. Instead you're bringing it up, admonishing it, then then dismissing the admonishment in terms of universality. That suggests while the number of hours people spend in Traditions is slipping you must have spent some extra time in some training classes on how to sway the sway and guide the public opinion while appearing removed and disinterested. What is called? Zen and the Art of Subterfuge? Second, In-situ? That fountain show did not come out of the concrete of the lagoon, nor from the parts of the pier, so that knocks out the architectural and art definitions of the word.. I suppose you could be going for the vague literary form, but that kinda doesn't make sense to the context, as it hasn't moved nor is it going anywhere so it's not possible for it to be "out" or "in of place" You meant "a vista." It's a theatrical term, it's latin, literally means "in sight." As in doing a scene change or other theatrical work technical stuff required for a show "in sight" of the audience.
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ what are you babbling about? in-situ means "in place" ie. that the show is developed in its place of origin rather than off-site and rolled into place or behind closed doors. <<That suggests while the number of hours people spend in Traditions is slipping you must have spent some extra time in some training classes on how to sway the sway and guide the public opinion while appearing removed and disinterested. >> Traditions is for front-line CMs. It is not for all CMs by any stretch.
Originally Posted By mousermerf It was a reference that other areas might get "advanced" training instead. And yes, you're misusing in-situ.
Originally Posted By mousermerf << This is the problem with developing a show in-situ for all to see.>>> In-situ != in place In situ = in its "original" position or place And then the various art and architectural variants which refer to using materials from a site incorporated into the actual construction. Then there's the term I suggested: a vista (pronounced: ah vista). It's a theatrical term, fitting of the discussion of a -show- and it's audience and plainly means.. visible in sight exposed And in context and original meaning refers to the acts of doing theatrical work in the sight of the audience. Which is exactly what your original statement was lamenting.
Originally Posted By danyoung From dictionary.com - In situ - In the original place or arrangement: “The body was left in situ until the police arrived." Seems like correct usage to me. And I don't mean by my objection that I want everyone to stop looking at the video now. Some people will enjoy it, while some will be put off by what they see, which is unfair, as the show is still unfinished. I prefer to wait and see it for the first time in person. And merf, I don't get the babble either in post # 85. Lee has an opinion, same as me, same as you. Why chastise somebody for their opinion on something like this? Either agree or disagree, but either way, move on.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Dan - the intention of the phrase refers to items of architecture/archaeology which have moved, like Cleopatra's needle. It can also refer to stuff like prefabricated buildings and construction, but that's more vague. The importance is that's it's a differentiation between an original and current location - not simply a statement of current location.
Originally Posted By dizkid Has anyone considered the possibility that they have cut the alice portion. Even though the new alice movie just came out, they are two different animals. And by watching the video I noticed that most of the scenes were from movies post-walt, and alice was just to old in their minds. Not saying that I believe it to be true, just saying things change and just because it was in the original line up does not mean it will be in the final product. Personally I would love to have the alice scene in it, but it just seems odd that they wouldn't show such a hyped up scene to Bob and Tom, it just makes me think. I don't think anyone on these bpards (including me) will no anything definite until it is opening night. So I bid you a fine farewell with my favorite motto. "You don't know until you know."
Originally Posted By Manfried The video was shot from a very far distance, with a very wide lens. Not really giving anyone with any real perspective on the show. Like leemac, I will wait until I come out this summer to look at the show and render any type of critique.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 mousemerf - I am THE LAST person to defend improper useage of words and terms(personally, every time an American posts "I could care less" I have to stifle the urge the reach through my monitor and rip the poster's throat out)but there are some words and terms that have, through extended common useage, simply come to mean something else. Personally I am not up to date on the correct vs common parlance for "insitu" but I understood the OP's useage of it. It is commonly accepted 'net-iquette that belabouring somebody's spelling or grammar says more about you than the poster. Still, post "could care less" and expect arthritis of the fingers in about ten years through my voodoo sessions on a doll representing you. ; )
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<merf, I don't get the babble either in post # 85. Lee has an opinion, same as me, same as you. Why chastise somebody for their opinion on something like this?>> Dan, isn't it obvious? Merf's opinions are the only one's that are correct, and the rest of us are just morons.
Originally Posted By mousermerf <<<It is commonly accepted 'net-iquette that belabouring somebody's spelling or grammar says more about you than the poster.>>> It also says volumes about a poster when they only post once in a blue moon and always have their word taken as de facto truth despite obvious cherry-picking of topics and lack of actual discourse. Instead they address only questions and information they want to highlight while using condescending vocabulary toward the people they are obviously manipulating.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<they address only questions and information they want to highlight while using condescending vocabulary toward the people they are obviously manipulating.>> You mean, like you? FYI, I suspect Bob Paris 1 is Bob Paris, who has been around these boards for about as long as you, with hundreds of posts to his name. That he doesn't post here as much anymore could be due to any number of things.
Originally Posted By xrayvision OK, I'm confused about the sentiment of concern about us (LP folk) looking at videos/photos of upcoming park attraction and commenting on what we see. That's pretty much what we've been doing on LP...for years. Recently, we've also critiqued the new lands at HKDL, Star Tours II (which we watched the promo video), Mermaid ride, Carsland as well as Universal Orlando's Potter attractions yet to open. There was no problem watching Universal Singapore on-board rides, and critiquing them, before the park officially opened. So, why the change of heart now with DCA's WoC? Personally, I have no problem that Laughinplace posted the video as it was not filmed or obtained by illegal means nor bootlegged in any way. Disney is testing an outdoor show that's in clear view from the balconies of their Disney owned hotel. Disney could block off the use of those rooms if previewing the show in advance (from those balconies) was a real issue to them. Rather, Disney has been quite open about the show's development, including offering show development pics and vid-clips in Blue Sky Cellar, D23 and in "sneak preveiw" promo videos posted online on disney.com and on social media sites. Discussion of their future products brings about product awareness, which sparks interest and hopefully drives more ticket sales to their parks to see the product in person. In terms of viewing a movie before it's completed and critiquing it, L.A. residents and tourists are recruited all of the time to preview and critique movies and TV pilots still in development. And, especially for movies, some of those films test marketed are in very rough form and the final cut can be very different from what the test audience previewed. While WoC is not a completed project, the show is in better presentable form that many movies/shows that I've previewed as a test audience member which we critiqued the unfinished show in writing. And, we've been doing similar pre-opening critiquing on LP with other attractions and shows. The only difference is that we do it independent of a studio or park invitation.
