Originally Posted By wonderingalice <<That's the way it was when I was a kid and we wanted to ride an E-ticket. And, we had to line up uphill, both directions!>> And no churros afterward, either! All we got was a moldy orange! ;-) And I'll bet the "gotta go" issue will be ripe in this queue... so to speak.
Originally Posted By hiddencat3 Something to think about... If Disneyland is having a 50K day, should we assume all 50K will want to ride Nemo? Some may have no interest, desire or physically can't ride the subs. I don't know how many people this will represent, but they do make up a group of Disneyland vistors. And...does the day include the time after the park closes? The line will not be cut until they make the "park closing" announcement. Then the cast members will have to cycle out the line. They will probably be there an extra hour just for that. That will add another 1,200 people. We all know there will be a heck of a line when Nemo opens, but would we expect anything diffent? I remember the 3 hour wait for Indy (the line streched down Main Street). I waited and loved the whole experience. A huge line causes buzz and excitment...some will be negative, but people are talking! So just remember those poor CM's that have to work a closing shift on Nemo. They have to cycle out the line and do the closing routine.
Originally Posted By Moderation I think that this is an issue that will solve itself quite easily as soon as Nemo is no longer the next big thing. Remember the wait times for Pooh when it was new? It's barely a walk on now. If you don't want to wait 90 minutes to ride Nemo then don't, secure in the knowledge that 6 months from now the midweek wait time will be under 10.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Guests expect more, and will be less satisfied standing it a really slow moving long line, even though they will.<< Guests expecting short waits is one of the biggest problems with the parks nowadays, and it is Disney's fault for placating it. The parks survived fine for decades with long waits. Nothing indicates to me that guests can't adapt and get used to waiting in few lines again. Long lines after ticket books were long gone, btw. What's next, guests getting to set the food & drink prices? Maybe we should institute the Ebay model on the stores, and everyone can bid up the prices on plush. For me, A sub ride is better than no sub ride. Those who are willing to wait WILL ride. Even if the ride is mediocre, it will have a longer honeymoon because of the low capacity. Capacity is a huge issue and I'm one of those big fans of the capacity monsters originating from the 60's. You know the rides that people criticize and mock. Where because their capacity is so large, there are no lines, so therefore they are boring relics that should be removed. If this was a new ride, built with new facilities I too would expect a better capacity. On the subs they are bringing an attraction back with the same operations. If the subs had never gone away and they simply changed it with Nemo, like Tarzan with the treehouse, I don't think this would be as big of an issue.
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger >> <<That's the way it was when I was a kid and we wanted to ride an E-ticket. And, we had to line up uphill, both directions!>> And no churros afterward, either! All we got was a moldy orange! << And we had to wait in lines that were 25 hours long! We had to get up to go to the park before we even went to bed! Then Walt would kill us and burn our bodies in the parking lot, and dance on our ashes while singing the Small World song! It was a different park back then.
Originally Posted By ni_teach <<What caught my eye is what I've been suspecting all along - that contrary to rumors, there is no "fix" for the capacity issue of the new 'nemo' subs.>> I disagree and that there is one fix. That would be to transform the storage dock of the sub area into a real loading dock. Put a ramp over the first dock to get to the second one and you could then load 4 subs at a time rather than just the two.
Originally Posted By berol There might be some sort of minimum spacing between subs so show effects can be timed right. Or maybe that's a good idea.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice ^^ Dang, CT! Such violence! *LOL* (I always wondered what the heck Walt was doing out there... jumpin' all over the place like a banshee. Now we know!)
Originally Posted By gadzuux There were some unsubstantiated rumors from more than a year ago that the subs themselves would undergo a lengthening. What wasn't clear is if this lengthening would be to create more seating or if it was to make the dimensions of the existing sub seating more realistic for today's "american-sized" rear ends. Those of us who remember the subs from earlier days will recall that the little flap down seats were of modest size - about half the size of a standard commode seat. And they were spaced very close together. I'm thinking that this will need to be adjusted for this new supersized era. Too many park visitors don't have a prayer of fitting onto one of those little flap seats, and you wouldn't want to be the guest who's seat is on either side of theirs either. This will also have an impact on overall ride capacity. But I was dubious at the time that they would go to the trouble of expanding the size of the individual subs. I wonder if the 1200 pph estimate is based on the earlier numbers of the subs. If so, it's probably too optimistic.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice Whoops... That's what I get for taking a couple of calls after starting a post. *L*
Originally Posted By ChiMike Gadzuux. That is something I never thought of! Now that is something that could cause issues, much more than wait times. Granted it will lower capacity. I can only imagine the ruckus when someone tries to take two seats worth of space.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss Maybe it could be like the airlines, where they charge extra for taking up two seats.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Guests expecting short waits is one of the biggest problems with the parks nowadays." That's silly. People have always complained about long lines at DL.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>That's silly. People have always complained about long lines at DL.<< No it's not silly. The difference between now and then is that, according to the poster I responded to, guests now come to the park expecting short waits. In the past people might have complained about waits (A historical view that I think is a little overblown), but they still waited in non-FP lines. I don't think anyone was surprised by the wait times. Lately, every few weeks or so I read a post (most recently the Grad Night one) where someone is shocked at lengthy waits in a crowded park. I remember when Indy was soft-opening and everybody on RAD discussed the lines. The majority of people did'nt really complain about the waits they were more amazed then anything. Instead of complaining at City Hall, they prepared themselves for a wait and used a good 'attitude' to enjoy the wait. I had fun speaking with people in line. The anticipation & conversation made the wait go by easily.
Originally Posted By gadzuux The problem with adjusting the number of seats per row is that there's one seat per porthole. If they realign the seats to allow for more room, then the seats no longer line up with the portholes.
Originally Posted By ChiMike ^^ I completely agree. I hope I didn't allude otherwise. I never gave my credit to the idea of extending the subs. I have always figured there would be the same seating. For the very reason you bring up.
Originally Posted By leemac <<I have always figured there would be the same seating. >> There are two new seats in each sub.
Originally Posted By berol I largely agree with Hans (except for calling it 'silly') especially since long lines are still around, with or without fastpass.
Originally Posted By berol I wanna ride on top and surf my way around the ride! YEEHAW!!! increased capacity
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "The difference between now and then is that, according to the poster I responded to, guests now come to the park expecting short waits." What kind of delusional world do those people live in? Everyone knows that Disneyland has long line. ChiMike, you are obviously a DL fan. Put yourself in the shoes of the average person who isn't as passionate as you are visiting DLR on a busy summer day with their family faced with long waits for the most popular attractions, restaurants, bathroom, or even a drink of water. It isn't as simple and jolly as you try to make it sound. The Subs have always had issues with capacity. The notoriously slow loading and unloading procedure will only add to what is likely going to be major congestion for years to come. As another poster said, this is bad show. Aside from this point, I was talking to a friend who is a non-Disney fan the other day about the return of the Subs. He was surprised and got excited about the attraction until I showed him Darkbeer's online images. When he found out that new show takes place in the same lagoon and with the same submarines as the original attraction he was like, "What's the point?"
