Originally Posted By vbdad55 I've done the same thing, especially on long posts -- totally understand
Originally Posted By wahooskipper vbdad..don't knock the books until you read them. It was a librarian at an elementary school who recommended the first book, "Mr Peabody's Apples" I believe. It was a very good story about jealousy. I read it to a fifth grade class and they got the meaning of it very quickly and paid more attention when I told them it was a book by Madonna. Madonna is a product...not a person. I suspect many celebrities are different from the person portrayed in the public eye.
Originally Posted By mele About the original topic, (crossing picket lines) didn't Barbra Streisand do the same thing for her shows in Vegas a few years ago? Blech.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <fifth grade class and they got the meaning of it very quickly and paid more attention when I told them it was a book by Madonna. < that is the part that frighten's me....the fact they are that influenced by such a low life ( and whether sheis a media creation or really like that doesn;t matter - those kids are paying more attention why ? )
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Who cares why? Kids these days don't read books. If Madonna tickels their fancy enough to cause them to want to read a book that I say amen! It is a heck of a lot better than listening to their ipod for another 4 hours or watching tv, playing video games.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Maybe in your schools kids don;t read books, in our school district, each student is assigned a set amount of reading per day ( 30 minutes in grade school - 45 minutes in HS) - with reports due and discussion. Parents have to sign off on the reading assignments.... My daughter loves to read...her and her friends attend early morning sessions at her middle school once a week for book club discussions...and no, this is not a nerd patrol-- almost every one of these kids are top athletes also...and they all have ipods If a school district with 28,000 kids can do this, maybe others should be asking why they are not also ? They do not have to be motivated by a sleaze peddling exhibitionist to read....so yes I do care what motivates my child to do anything...
Originally Posted By wahooskipper vbdad...read the book before you judge. All I'm saying is there is the potential for good in everyone. I saw the good in Clinton through the bad. I've seen the good in Bush through the bad. Does it really have to be just black or white? Is that what our society has become?
Originally Posted By MomofPrincess Well, I don't like Bush at all, but I still think it's inappropriate of Madonna to bash him--just the way I think Natalie whatsherface of the Dixie Chicks should've kept her mouth shut, as well. I think it's disrespectful to both President Bush and the concert-goers. They're supposed to be *entertainers,* not politicians. If I go to a concert to be entertained, the last thing I want is someone spouting off about politics. If I am paying for a concert ticket, I am there to hear music. I can watch The McLaughlin Group at home for free, thankyouverymuch.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <vbdad...read the book before you judge. All I'm saying is there is the potential for good in everyone. I saw the good in Clinton through the bad. I've seen the good in Bush through the bad. Does it really have to be just black or white? Is that what our society has become? < sorry, for me I'll just have to pass...right or wrong that is how I feel. One does not atone for the other, in fact makes it worse if she is capable of better things than she has given our kids
Originally Posted By wahooskipper She gave our kids here music? Or, perhaps, did parents give our kids her music? vbdad, you don't strike me as a person who restricts freedom of expression. And, you DO strike me as someone who pushes parental involvement. There was a concert at a local middle school a couple of weeks ago. The band played music by Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson. The kids in the audience (middle schoolers) were asked if they knew Jacson or Wonder and the majority did not. I don't think our kids are listening to Madonna these days. And, frankly, there is enough Hip Hop out there that is FAR more offensive than anything Madonna ever did. Hey, I never like her music. I'm just saying she ain't a bad author of children's books.
Originally Posted By mele Apparently, Madonna can never grow as a human being or will never be able to contribute anything good to society. I want to make sure my daughter learns that lesson!
Originally Posted By cape cod joe 55 and Mele--As long as I'm in WE you two are safe as I'm the whipping boy of We!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Apparently, Madonna can never grow as a human being or will never be able to contribute anything good to society. I want to make sure my daughter learns that lesson!< And I want to make sure my daughter knows they will be held 'accountable' ( a seldom used word any more) - for their actions also. I have yet to see anywhere where madonna thinks that crapola she peddled to kids was bad for them....in fact she's still doing it today. So I can't cal that growth, I call that opportunism. You can't have it both ways..sorry. Extreme examples : I know but we had a mass murderer here in Chicago who painted a lot of pictures before he was put to death... a lot of them couldbe described as uplifting...should that be seen as a growth for him also, and maybe we should all own one to hang in our homes ? Adolph Hitler commissioned a car to be build so the common man could own a motor car in Germany - a highlight in his contribution to society, so let's overlook the past ? It at least has some credibility when the person completely changes their philosophy and behavior, but tell me where Madonna has done that ? Sorry, still a sleaze bag to me. And I will teach my kids, do not monetarily support someone like that.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 And Wahoo, my daughter is in middle school and the kids all know who Michael Jackson is, and you want to know what drives most of their opinion of him ? Hint, it's not his music. The amount of jokes that go around about him even at that age level is amazing, so let's not think our kids are unaware of the outside world and world news....they are ( at least they are in Chicago ) -
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Hey, I never like her music. I'm just saying she ain't a bad author of children's books.< kind of like the Killer Clown here in Chicago, his paintings may have been pretty good, but I could care less because of the individual involved...I'm saying you can't separate the two. You are welcome to your feelings, not my call, but those are mine.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Even on little cloistered cape cod 55 (not exactly the loop) my 12 year old knows about the Jackson stuff and the Catholic priest stuff (she doesn't know my direct involvement with the two main players). My 11 year old is still naive but it seems 12 is the age that the kids "get it" and Madonna is mellow compared to the M and M rap hate stuff! I'm not being an apologist for Madonna, but let's face it, there are worse role models out there.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^^ it's all relative, saying one only an 8 on the sleaze scale compared to a 10 on the sleaze scale, still means they are sleaze to me. but thanks for backing me on the middle school kids knowing way more about Jacko than he's the little kid from the Jackson 5. Kind of hard not to if they were near any TV for months when the trial was going on.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe 55--It's my little baby Rachel so I WAS surprised and she NOT wanting to hurt me just smiles her cute little smile cause she doesn't want to hurt me with the fact that daddy's little girl has grown up. Next step is she'll know there're people inside of the chip and dale outfits when we go on the character meals at WDW! You are right 55 as it is absolutely than iniquitous "lesser of the evils" routines trying to shield your children from the sleaze.
Originally Posted By mele Never allowing a person to grow up and express responsible things is holding them accountable? Geez. Well, you can officially never listen to a word I say cos I was pretty risque when I was younger. I don't recall Madonna getting away with her antics. I recall plenty of controversy. Plenty of people loathe her to this day. (Obviously.) (I have heard Madonna express regrets about the things she did in the past. Maybe you missed it since you won't allow even her positive messages to get through?) Other than complaining about Bush, what highly offensive thing is Madonna doing lately. I know she has a sparkly cross in her stage show...Is that it? Are there are a lot of kids even going to her shows? Aren't they tickets extremely expensive? Even her videos are tame by comparison to what they were 15 years ago. What has Madonna done in the past 5 years that is so bad? I think she's done an excellent job in cleaning up her act after she had children. Even though I don't care to practice her religion, I really don't think she's been a bad role model now that her children were born. Exactly how long does she have to serve penance? How long do we all have to serve penance for our stupid (sexual?) antics before we are deamed worth enough to contribute positively to society?
