Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^^ Madonna's act today is little different than 15 - 20 years ago..so let's hold of on martyrdom for the material girl. I see little change which is why I have the opinions I do, of course people can and do change, notify me when this occurs for her.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF (Disclaimer: This is not directed at any one person here. It's simply an observation I've had for years.) It just amazes me how up in arms people get over what a celebrity says or thinks about political matters. While I can't say I enjoy the music of Madonna (outside of a few songs) or the Dixie Chicks, I think the public forgets one important fact here: Even the celebrities are allowed to have and express political opinions. Yet when they do, regardless of whether it's on or off stage, it seems that they're blasted for even having an opinion in the first place. After all, they're not "one of us." Well, they are. It's easy to think they're isolated from the rest of the world -- and that would be true of some (think: Tom Cruise) -- but I don't believe there aren't any famous people out there who give serious thought to political matters. Like the rest of us, they have the right and obligation to participate. As for speaking out and using the stage for it, yes I would say that it scorches my biscuits at times, but it's nothing new. I go to a show to be entertained, too, and a couple bands I used to like fell out of my favor because of their preachiness.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 I agree BlueDevilSF. I get even more mystified by people being upset for their charitable work. They are in a no win situation in my opinion. People expect them to be charitable and available and then criticism them for it.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I guess my point about Jackson and Wonder were that the kids didn't know them b/c of their music. I guess I'll just reiterate that I am glad I am not judged today by some of the stupid things I did in the past. And, if I can do some good now even though I might have been less worthy in the past then I hope the people around me can accept the good I do. I said I didn't like Madonna's music. In reality, I did like some of her early stuff. But, until she starts singing country music I probably won't buy her albums. But, if she put out a GOOD country album, the fact that she is Madonna wouldn't prevent me from buying it.
Originally Posted By mele Good grief. I'm not making Madonna a martyr simply by pointing out that she has had to pay for some of her actions. Comparing her to a mass murderer is extreme. She was extremely open about her sex life. That's her only crime that makes her a worthless human being forever. How dare she be a sexual woman and dare to deal with children. She's just like that murderer who paints.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>M and M rap<< As opposed to Eminem, the rapper who melts in your... Never mind.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Comparing her to a mass murderer is extreme. She was extremely open about her sex life. That's her only crime that makes her a worthless human being forever. How dare she be a sexual woman and dare to deal with children. She's just like that murderer who paints.< if you were being fair you would have read the fact I did state they were extreme examples "only used to show how you can't separate the person from their actions " -- most people would have stated that as I went out of my way to explain that up front.. but obviously you feel that pandering her sex life to kids ( who was the majority of her record buying public ) was just fine..and just a phase - so be it.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <As for speaking out and using the stage for it, yes I would say that it scorches my biscuits at times, but it's nothing new. I go to a show to be entertained, too, and a couple bands I used to like fell out of my favor because of their preachiness< exactly - they do have a 'stage' that others do not -- so it is not the same as you or I.... right or wrong some people, and many kids use them as role models. I understand how some bands one would like would fall out of favor because of preachiness or behavior... they're being well paid to entertain, not supply social commentary. they usually are ill prepared to do anyway. And no it's nothing new, but with 24 hour news mdeia now, and reporters searching for stories to fill it, we get to hear more of it thanever before
Originally Posted By cape cod joe I was putting the I.Q. theremometer in people's mouth and seeing if anyone got my M and M joke. Thanks Dug! Actually people probably got it but it wasn't that funny.
Originally Posted By mele Yes, the point of my posts are clearly that I love Madonna and think she's a great role model for kids. That's obviously what I said. I'm just going to leave you with your obvious hate for her. Have a wonderful evening.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>vbdad...read the book before you judge.<< What if Hitler had written some nice children's books while in the bunker. I would wager that no matter how good they were that they would be shunned.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Actually if I was a woman, I can see myself emulating Madonna on a LOT of things. Like I said before, she is so much better than the JUNK out there today. She has broken new boundaries, and she has that never quit attitude I admire so much. And I do like her music from the eighties and nineties. "Like a Prayer I'll take you there"! I can hear Mele singing this song to her significant other while...........
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Originally Posted By fkurucz My point is that it is possible to be vile enough to cancel out any "nice" things you might do. It was noy my implication that Madonna is as evil as Hitler. Also worth considering, there was a time, not too long ago, that someone with Madonna's morality would have been shunned in polite society, and not celebrated. This perhaps says more about us than her.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>no personal attack << I have learned over time that when someone says something that might seem odd to me, that perhaps I need to look at it from a different angle, and maybe then I might understand what they were trying to say. And also, to always refrain from calling them "koo-koo".
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Okay f as long as you see your analogy was out there. I exagerate too so no harm no foul. Madonna has done something right though as look at all she's accomplished!
Originally Posted By cape cod joe f---sorry--you misunderstood IDEA (analogy) was koo koo NOT YOU--sorry for any misunderstanding but comparing Hitler to Madonna! You will concede that that is Koo Koo NOT YOU to emphasize.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe You must understand that I hung with camp survivors for years and my son was born 4/21 as I prayed all night that it wouldn't be 4/20 Hitler's bday.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <My point is that it is possible to be vile enough to cancel out any "nice" things you might do. It was noy my implication that Madonna is as evil as Hitler. Also worth considering, there was a time, not too long ago, that someone with Madonna's morality would have been shunned in polite society, and not celebrated. This perhaps says more about us than her.< fkurucz -- thank you for seeing the reasoning behind the many posts -- Mele - you seem determined to defend her behavior --that is your choice so I leave you to that.... hate is a strong word, I can't hate a person I don't know, but I can despise the things she has done...if you cannot see the difference I am wasting my time.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Okay f as long as you see your analogy was out there. I exagerate too so no harm no foul. Madonna has done something right though as look at all she's accomplished!< Joe, she's made a lot of money selling pornography and a risque sexual lifestyle to children and young adults for 20 years-- that is an accomplishment? If that is the bar for accomplishment we've got some people out there who will be in the accomplishment Hall of Fame...including many of the artists you criticize as todays rubbish.. but hey, as long as she has a children's book out -- she's OK - as fkurucz has stated, I think this discussion maybe says more about us as a society than it does about Madonna. I guess I've become my parents because as the parent of 2 daughters I find it loathesome, but hey, anything goes I guess.
