Originally Posted By alexbook My $0.02: Whether you like them or not, Madonna and Mellencamp were/are too huge not to be in the HoF. Beasties are nearly there as hit-makers, and definitely there as influences. Ventures and Bambataa didn't have a lot of hits, but should go in because they're influential. (Cohen, too, but that would make six.) Chic, Summers, & the DC5 all made some good records, but none of them were big enough to go in as hit-makers, and none of them were that influential.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN DONNA may not be influencial, but at least her "I Feel Love" was the groundbreaking sound that gave birth to electronica and dance/club music as we know it today. Even "influencial" Madonna paid tribute to it in her last album and concert. To this day, new electronic recordings still sample DONNA's "I Feel Love"'s bass lines... and if that is not influencial... I do not know what is! Mind you, is there a Rock Hall of Fame for Producers? Because Giorgio Moroder definitely needs to be inducted. But to be honest... I would be extremely surprised if DONNA SUMMER was indeed chosen for that honor... simply because she has carried a lot of baggage in her career and is not as well respected in her homeland as she is still abroad in Europe and other areas of the World. That dreaded "disco" brand will always be her cross to bear.
Originally Posted By alexbook They've admitted quite a few non-performers (producers, promoters, record company execs, journalists). I just checked and was surprised to find that Moroder's not in. He definitely should be. Here's the complete list: <a href="http://www.rockhall.com/inductees/inductee-list/" target="_blank">http://www.rockhall.com/induct ees/inductee-list/</a> Looking over the list, my first reaction is that there are too many names on it (over 200, at a guess, and many of them duos or groups). If everybody's in the Hall of Fame, does it really mean anything?
Originally Posted By TDLFAN ^^^EXACTLY!! Same for the R&R Hall of Fame. It means nothing but a status. There are many performers who do not belong there. Madonna for one..as "fame" does not instantly means "talent". It's like the Grammy Awards, where sales seem to be the deciding factor, rather than solid quality. As for DONNA, she may not be given the honor (and I doubt she will) but there is no denying that she is a talented versatile singer, composer and through adversity, showed she had some staying power while all of the other "disco era" stars disappeared. The irony is that now.. Madonna will be inducted doing what DONNA did better years ago.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice Here we go, kids! <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/12/13/rockhall.inductees.ap/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBI Z/Music/12/13/rockhall.inductees.ap/index.html</a> Madonna Mellencamp Ventures Dave Clark Five Leonard Cohen
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Like I said... >>Madonna will be inducted doing what DONNA did better years ago.<< Further proof of what I have been saying all along.. Talent is not a requirement for these types of self congratulatory awards. Hence Madge.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 I think you're being a little harsh, TDLFAN. Madonna is neither a great singer nor a great dancer, but she's certainly a great... entertainer. And even if "great" means "compelling" and "calculated" instead of "talented," well... okay. I still think she's a performer/celebrity who embodies the spirit of rock'n'roll. No doubt, however, that Donna can sing circles around the Ciccone wench. And no doubt in my mind that Donna deserves so much more recognition than she gets. (UGH! I hope that comes in her lifetime!) THANK YOU, wonderingalice, for updating the thread! And congratulations on your four-out-of-five! I wish I'd done nearly as well in terms of preferences OR predictions!
Originally Posted By woody Afrika Bambaataa Beastie Boys Chic Leonard Cohen Dave Clark Five Madonna John Mellencamp Donna Summer The Ventures What a sorry choice. No wonder Madonna might get in, there's barely any competition. Madonna is all about record sales than anything resembling art in her last few albums, which gotten much weaker. John Mellencamp is a true rocker and deserves to win by default; Unfortunately, I can't stand his music. Only his early music was tolerable. The Beastie Boys is awful. Rap is not rock. Donna Summer is a disco queen. A good singer, but that's all.
Originally Posted By onlyme The RnR HOF is such a silly joke, but that's not what were talking about, is it? Donna Summer had a huge influence on music....HUGE. And, I do like her, but, I'm not sure if she'd be considered a RnRoller. But, since I loathe Madonna, I hope Donna kicks her butt in the voting.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice You're very welcome, and thanks I-57! onlyme, the list I posted are the folks who are getting in this time. The voting's done. The nominees are listed at the beginning of the thread. I guess I'm alone here - so far - in admitting my enjoyment of Madonna. *L* I'm not a huge fan - only own her greatest hits "Immaculate Collection." But I really like her early stuff and have seen her in concert. And I'm envious of her - the broad is only five months younger than me (she'll be 50 next August). I'd kill for that bod. Heh heh heh... ;-)
Originally Posted By onlyme Oh, ok. I thought those were the nominees. Actually, I think that I'm the one alone, who really doesn't care for Madonna. She's in great shape, and can sing up a storm. No doubt. But, I just have other 'issues' with her.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I think you're being a little harsh<< I thought I was being realistic. >>Madonna is neither a great singer nor a great dancer, but she's certainly a great... entertainer.<< Then by your assessment, Britney Spears will probably steal this honor from DONNA next year. >>Donna Summer is a disco queen. A good singer, but that's all.<< That is the quntessential comment as to why DONNA is so unfairly treated in the business. DARN the "disco" label. Here is a woman who SANG ROCK in her 80's recordings, has won multiple GOSPEL awards and has even written and performed COUNTRY music. Sorry but I will always contest the belief that DONNA is just a "good singer". She is a talented natural singer who unlike Madge, happens to be quite versatile in what she does, and she does it well. While it is regrettable she was not given her due recognition and probably never will... few female performers on our era come close to what DONNA SUMMER has achieved since she started in the late 60s... singing ROCK music as a matter of fact!
Originally Posted By TDLFAN And I57, tell me DONNA's rendition of Hot Stuff in concert in Detroit was not rock, down to her grabbing the mike stand and raising it into the air like most rock legends do.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<What a sorry choice. No wonder Madonna might get in, there's barely any competition... Mellencamp is a true rocker and deserves to win by default [but] only his early music was tolerable... The Beastie Boys is awful. Rap is not rock... Donna Summer is a disco queen...>> Woody, what took you so long to show up here with THE TRUTH?! Jeez. The rest of us had already wasted 29 posts under the mistaken impression that things as non-linear as art and politics might be subject to interesting debates or respectful exchanges of opinion.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<>>Madonna is neither a great singer nor a great dancer, but she's certainly a great... entertainer.<< Then by your assessment, Britney Spears will probably steal this honor from DONNA next year.>> Touche. Point well taken. So many of today's best-selling "artists" are barely-serviceable manufactured celebrities -- as opposed to being true talents. Yes... Britney. And... that American Idol skank who embarrassed herself at the SuperBowl. And all those other American Idol "singers" who get contracts and radio play solely because it puts money in Simon's pocket. They're not "talent." They're "product." They're shaped and marketed according to some corporate formula. There's nothing original or ground-breaking about any of that lot. That's the first way I would argue that Madonna differs from Britney. Madonna was ground-breaking. Britney followed the path Madonna created. I'd also point out that Madonna wrote her own songs, had a strong hand in determining her own direction, and has lasted. Britney, the product, was the result of corporate decision-making. Britney, the person, never seemed to have a coherent point of view.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Personally, I blame Disney and Ed McMahon for Britney Spears. They were the ones who put her in the map.
