Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<"Cold Love" anyone?>> <<And I57, tell me DONNA's rendition of Hot Stuff in concert in Detroit was not rock, down to her grabbing the mike stand and raising it into the air like most rock legends do.>> Darn you all to heck, TDLFAN, for making me stop and think. I SHOULD have been spending my time burning a certain CD and mailing off some trinkets. Instead, thanks to your posts, I found it necessary to interrupt my routine and conduct some research. TEST #1: (A) Think of the two Donna songs you most remember as "rock." (B) Play them. (C) Evaluate their rock-i-ness. So I queue'd up "Protection" and "Cold Love." PROTECTION: Ummmmm... NO. Donna covers a Bruce Springstein song and it has the potential to rip the roof off the mutha. The arrangement works. And... she ends up sounding "smooth." Polite. Not a bit of grit to be had. Sorry. Thanks for playing. COLD LOVE: [fearing that my memory would once again be blown away by another listen...] Oh, BABY! This girl ROCKS! So I was back to where I started. *sigh* During the testing I had begun a project at my dining room table and needed music on while I completed it so I switched the CD changer from "program" to "play." And I ended up listening to the whole "The Wanderer" album. I never realized it before. That's a bona-fide ROCK album! "The Wanderer." "Cold Love." "Stop Me," especially. And if Phil Collins would have recorded "Grand Illusion," it would have been hailed as a rock classic. Then I thought about "Hot Stuff" -- a song I don't generally think about. (I'm "immune" to it. Don't hear it anymore, even when it's on, due to its being overplayed so much over the years.) And I recalled her blistering live performance of it at Freedom Hill. Okay, okay. You're right. I still think Madge deserves her space in the Rock Hall of Fame, but, dammit, so does Donna Summer!!!
Originally Posted By woody >>The rest of us had already wasted 29 posts under the mistaken impression that things as non-linear as art and politics might be subject to interesting debates or respectful exchanges of opinion.<< Waste? You said it. It wasn't me. I haven't shown disrespect to the posters here. What are you talking about? Oh, I get it. Madonna is sacred, beyond criticism. Opinion is only valued if it promotes Madonna. The exchange of good thoughts is valued, but it wouldn't be interesting. >>You're right. I still think Madge deserves her space in the Rock Hall of Fame, but, dammit, so does Donna Summer!!<< Boring.
Originally Posted By woody >>That's the first way I would argue that Madonna differs from Britney. Madonna was ground-breaking. Britney followed the path Madonna created.<< She's no more ground breaking than anyone before her.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN When you have 3 songs in two different albums, that sound exactly alike, but with different lyrics... well, explain to me please, how does that make Britney "groundbreaking"? >>I never realized it before. That's a bona-fide ROCK album!<< Thank you. DONNA's The Wonderer *was* a revelation and should have been more successful. Ditto for "Dinner with Gershin" and "All Systems Go". <--ALL rock albums from DONNA.
