Originally Posted By vbdad55 I skip the parades now - sadly...I will occasionally spend some time with MSEP if I'm in the mood..but will not sit an hour ahead of time to get a 'good spot' for that
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Absolutely, both ton and iroe made me feel real magic, and moved me to tears<<< Same here. That whole nightly package just meshed so well together, and had such meaning. So very happy we still have RoE.
Originally Posted By ChiMike ^ I am too. I hope they don't change just for the sake of change. It is a very, very good show that still sees healthy crowds.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<It is a very, very good show that still sees healthy crowds.>> While I love ROE, it needs a LOT of updating, IMO. The Earth barge portion takes up too much time for the little you're able to make out. And nighttime shows are ALWAYS gonna play to healthy crowds. It's the nature of the beast.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Good point. How about this Hokie, I would rather see them address the 200 things that need urgent attention, including Wishes, F!, and the parades, instead of messing with one of the few things that is still very well received by everyone.
Originally Posted By disney pete Ok getting ready for the rotten tomatoes I loved Tapestry of nations,still love to see Wishes at MK at the end of the day and also loved Remember the magic the afternoon parade at MK back then,but have to agree the current one sucks.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>While I love ROE, it needs a LOT of updating, IMO. The Earth barge portion takes up too much time for the little you're able to make out.<<<< They can keep the barge, add fountain, lights, and lasers to that portion of the show and still have it be the best in WDW. (No pyro, though, won't fit the story. ;-] )
Originally Posted By TDLFAN There is only one thing that I feel WDW does better than all other resorts.. fireworks. Other than that, in regards to ROE.. I think it's sad that in the 12 yrs it's been playing, OLC has paid the bill and has offered THREE DIFFERENT NIGHT TIME LAGOON SHOWS at Tokyo DisneySEA, all of which have introduced new technical advances in show production.. while ROE continues to rely of heavy pyro spectacle and a good soundtrack. If the night time shows at WDW are the real beast (as someone else mentioned) then why is ROE so outdated from a technical point of view, and why is DHS' Fantasmic the worst version of that show produced to date? It's sad that the vast majority of tourists at WDW are clueless of the potential that WDC can achieve in regards to live night entertainment, yet they choose to do things cheaply, without striving to maintain the cutting edge standard which they so much claim is the hallmark of Disney entertainment. All I can say is.. Thank God for World of Color, and DL's/TDS' Fantasmic! or even TDL's Dreamlights or HKDL's Celebration in the Air or DL's Soundsational parade.. Those are the shows that offer the upmost quality right now.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I honestly don't think RoE is outdated. There. I said it. It has a story. It has lulls, texture, emotion, and, frankly a lot of symbolism and class. The Earth Barge is the only one of it's kind and STILL the only spherical LED projection system to date. The score is one of the most beautiful and nuanced scores in WDW. The pyro is mostly specially made for WDW, at least in color. The fire effects are unparalleled by any other show, even Fantasmic, I'd wager. It's one of the things in EPCOT that fits- perfectly. It runs concurrent with both FW and WS. So... I'm not going to complain about it. Not that you can't TDLFan, but in the scheme of things, ROE isn't one of the things that needs complaining about. ...Nemo does. LOL
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I honestly don't think RoE is outdated. There. I said it. ----- C'mon EE you Disney apologist !! Giving them a free pass -- you must be an idiot ! What the hell is wrong with you - you know they' re ALL lazy arses and if you don't call them on this the world will implode. They suck - period, didn't you get the memo ? Well, on that note I have decided to take a much needed break from LP ( funny I might actually peek in at W/E-- what a change that is) - no fanfare- no separate thread-- and no need for anyone to ask me to stay- I am not that important here ( nor is anyone else) - I have enough negativity in the world around me to not have to come here to face negativity on unprecedented levels lately. Just read in another post that all FP defenders are idiots. So I guess I too am an idiot and chose not even respond...it's just not worth it. Funny how most of the sometimes positive posters have stopped posting the last 3-4 weeks or so --likely so that they do not have to be ripped as an idiot, a moron, a blind as a bat apologist or whatever because everything Disney does today sucks, it was wonderful in the 80's don't you know- a verifiable land of perfection- ..only Uni knows how to do today. Got it. So I leave the fighting to someone with more energy than me- who thinks they might be able to carve out a common ground of sanity in debates..I choose to put my energies elsewhere. A number of you I see on FB--others who might want that drop a note in community ..there are those there that can give you my FB info. carry on.... as you were saying EE......stick to your guns man
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>>I honestly don't think RoE is outdated. There. I said it.<<< Time for you to get out to the other Disney parks worldwide and experience their live offerings. There I said it. >>>It has a story. It has lulls, texture, emotion, and, frankly a lot of symbolism and class.<<< Apart from the lovely attributes you mention about, ROE show's technical attributes are dated and simply not that impressive anymore. Guests are bored while they wait for the pyro to go in high gear. There's Nothing wrong about telling the same story and emotions via more vibrant 21st century technology. >>>The Earth Barge is the only one of it's kind and STILL the only spherical LED projection system to date.<<< Have you seen the Sorcerer hat centerpiece at TDS' Fantasmic or the new genie float at TDL's Dreamlight? Same type of projected technology with more impressive and bright HD quality. ROE's sphere may be one of a kind (in the USA at least) but it is still serving a show that many fans/guests feel should be cut out of ROE altogether for being BORING. >>>The score is one of the most beautiful and nuanced scores in WDW.<<< AGREED. I love the score for the show... simply TDR quality all around, just like TDS' BraviSEAmo score. High quality. >>>The pyro is mostly specially made for WDW, at least in color.<<< I have mentioned before that fireworks is the one single thing WDW does better than the other DL parks worldwide, and it is the pyro what makes this show so popular since last century. >>>The fire effects are unparalleled by any other show, even Fantasmic, I'd wager.<<< The same fire effects with the added trick of fire floating on water have been done at TDS with BraviSEAmo.. where fireballs danced in syncronization to the music and shot in defferent directions creating patterns of fire in the air. Blowing fire around the central barge is hardly impressive anymore from a technical point of view, but how you manipulate the fire to move IS impressive and that is why the various fantasmic shows, World of Color, TDL's Blazing Rhythms and TDS' BraviSEAmo have had one better over ROE. They uused the fire in interesting ways to enhance the show, not just blow it out in circular motion. Besides.. the same fire effects are utilized with better results in the current TDS' Fantasmic production, again, aimed to shoot in different modes. My point is.. This is not something exclusive or mind blowing about ROE. It's been done aferwards and done BETTER. >>>So... I'm not going to complain about it. Not that you can't TDLFan, but in the scheme of things, ROE isn't one of the things that needs complaining about.<<< Yes, there are other things that merit more ranting about WDW but are we not talking about shows here? So in regards to ROE, YES, Actually it does merit ranting.. because when a show is allowed to perform for over a decade, with countless admission price hikes in that period, I expect my increased dollars spent to be applied to improving the experience, NOT keeping it 20th century quality.. so as mjuch as I agree with you that ROE does fit EPCOT's theme in most way.. the fact remains the show needs major updating from a technical point of view. The fact that Disney itself has outdone themselves with other nighttime shows in Tokyo and California, brings the point across that a show takes it's inspiration about man's evolution, is in itself stuck very much in the past. Guests at WDW deserve much more than that, especially since a day at any giuven park can cost over $80. So yes, I will complain about this and many other shows that need major update, and replacing across WDW.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>----- C'mon EE you Disney apologist !! Giving them a free pass -- you must be an idiot ! What the hell is wrong with you - you know they' re ALL lazy arses and if you don't call them on this the world will implode. They suck - period, didn't you get the memo ?<<< LOL. Sorry to hear about your leaving, VB. Don't stay away too long.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Time for you to get out to the other Disney parks worldwide and experience their live offerings. There I said it. <<< Easier said than done, but trust me, I'm trying... >>>Apart from the lovely attributes you mention about, ROE show's technical attributes are dated and simply not that impressive anymore. Guests are bored while they wait for the pyro to go in high gear. There's Nothing wrong about telling the same story and emotions via more vibrant 21st century technology. <<<< I agree with the latter part of this, but I honestly don't see very many people bored with it. It still plays to large amounts of applause and support. >>>Have you seen the Sorcerer hat centerpiece at TDS' Fantasmic or the new genie float at TDL's Dreamlight? Same type of projected technology with more impressive and bright HD quality. ROE's sphere may be one of a kind (in the USA at least) but it is still serving a show that many fans/guests feel should be cut out of ROE altogether for being BORING.<<< The hat looks like a huge cone. Not too impressive. And RoE's sphere was recently upgraded to HD. Looks fantastic. >>>AGREED. I love the score for the show... simply TDR quality all around, just like TDS' BraviSEAmo score. High quality. <<< Yep. You even borrow We Go On for your NYE celebrations! ;-) >>>The same fire effects with the added trick of fire floating on water have been done at TDS with BraviSEAmo.. where fireballs danced in syncronization to the music and shot in defferent directions creating patterns of fire in the air. Blowing fire around the central barge is hardly impressive anymore from a technical point of view, but how you manipulate the fire to move IS impressive and that is why the various fantasmic shows, World of Color, TDL's Blazing Rhythms and TDS' BraviSEAmo have had one better over ROE. They uused the fire in interesting ways to enhance the show, not just blow it out in circular motion. Besides.. the same fire effects are utilized with better results in the current TDS' Fantasmic production, again, aimed to shoot in different modes. My point is.. This is not something exclusive or mind blowing about ROE. It's been done aferwards and done BETTER<<< Once again, upgrades. The fire is now controlled, is used in different degrees, and shoots out different sides. It's no longer just OUT. >>>Yes, there are other things that merit more ranting about WDW but are we not talking about shows here? So in regards to ROE, YES, Actually it does merit ranting.. because when a show is allowed to perform for over a decade, with countless admission price hikes in that period, I expect my increased dollars spent to be applied to improving the experience, NOT keeping it 20th century quality.. so as mjuch as I agree with you that ROE does fit EPCOT's theme in most way.. the fact remains the show needs major updating from a technical point of view. The fact that Disney itself has outdone themselves with other nighttime shows in Tokyo and California, brings the point across that a show takes it's inspiration about man's evolution, is in itself stuck very much in the past. Guests at WDW deserve much more than that, especially since a day at any giuven park can cost over $80.<<< I agree. Totally. I just don't think that RoE is one of the issues at hand here. Fix WS. Fix the Pavilions. Fix the aesthetics. The firework show is perfectly (sorta) fine. ;-)
Originally Posted By leobloom The dramatic exits are some of the funniest things you'll ever read around here.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I honestly don't see very many people bored with it. It still plays to large amounts of applause and support.<< Yes, you will usually get a strong roar from a crowd that is manipulated by a huge, explosive fireworks finale. It's called "Climatic reaction". >>>The hat (at TDS Fantasmic) looks like a huge cone. Not too impressive.<<< Actually it's quite impressive in many ways.. Its very close to the audience and it towers almost 7 stories over the water. Not only does it have the ability to play a HD image that wraps around totally, it has three layers of hydrolic lifts, capable of lifting performers over the top portion, it is surrounded by a computer driven mesh of LED points of lights, Fountains that shoot water in moving patterns, and each water cannon has its independant spotlight that moves with the water as well; it is capable of shooting fire balls, launch pyro shells, has a built-in fog machine system, strobe lighting adds more sparkle to the filmed sequences, and in synch with the filmed protions, performers' outfits at the top of the hat also mirros the image of the hat's screen below. Watch how Cinderella's dress drips in magical glow from her waist down as the sparkles drop from her dress and into the hat, turning it into an oversized skirt.. that is one of the many visual tricks this hat can do. So yes it is quite the impressive centerpiece and I hear, the most expensive piece of equipment used in TDS' Fantasmic. ROE's sphere could only wish to accomplish so much. Get off YouTube and go see it in person so you can appreciate how impressive that sorcerer hat really is. I know many of you Cms are highly pro-WDW and must defend their every move.. I understand that. But.. really, no need to defend something you and I know has run its course, especially to those of us who know better.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 So ... we are trading out one old LPer in VBDAD for another old LPer in TDLFAN? I wish they'd both stick around. But I do think that life may be a bit rough for my pal in Chicago and he doesn't want to hear negativity here. I do understand that, and that's why I think he may be making a wise choice. Then, I hear he wants to hang on WE and I wonder if I need a special chapter for him in my 'Mental Health and the Disney Fan Community' thread, which likely be a novel instead. Some quickee thoughts: Some of Disney's best parades haven't been full of foamheads such as ToN and Eureka. WDW's parades are an utter and complete joke when compared with ANY/ALL of the Disney resorts worldwide. They're even worse than Shanghai's! ;-) I love RoE, but EE is wrong. It's time to go. It's tired. And when even Don Dorsey thinks so, you have to give it a lot of weight. Whether people applaud or not doesn't really matter. I've yet to see them not applaud the pathetic parades at MK. Does that mean that Disney should keep them for another 20 years? And I think TDLFAN has been having too much fun in Asia without ME this week ... I was having severe HKDL withdrawal this afternoon when telling other Spirited relatives that you were enjoying our favorite little park on Lantau. ... So I hope it rained on YOUR PARADE! ;-)
Originally Posted By TDLFAN No it did not rain on my parade. Two days at HKDL and the parades, castle illumination and Disney in the Stars went off without a hitch.. and so did the small CARS show at the castle forecourt. I even got to see the progress on the expansion which appears to be moving forward quite fast. Better yet, the park was packed both days.. I would estimate close to 28,000 guests, with average wait times at 45 mins.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 RoE is Disney Lunesta. I haven't seen it since i saw WoC, excpet on NYE because of the NYE finale.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>> Actually it's quite impressive in many ways.. Its very close to the audience and it towers almost 7 stories over the water. Not only does it have the ability to play a HD image that wraps around totally, it has three layers of hydrolic lifts, capable of lifting performers over the top portion, it is surrounded by a computer driven mesh of LED points of lights, Fountains that shoot water in moving patterns, and each water cannon has its independant spotlight that moves with the water as well; it is capable of shooting fire balls, launch pyro shells, has a built-in fog machine system, strobe lighting adds more sparkle to the filmed sequences, and in synch with the filmed protions, performers' outfits at the top of the hat also mirros the image of the hat's screen below. Watch how Cinderella's dress drips in magical glow from her waist down as the sparkles drop from her dress and into the hat, turning it into an oversized skirt.. that is one of the many visual tricks this hat can do. So yes it is quite the impressive centerpiece and I hear, the most expensive piece of equipment used in TDS' Fantasmic. ROE's sphere could only wish to accomplish so much. Get off YouTube and go see it in person so you can appreciate how impressive that sorcerer hat really is. I know many of you Cms are highly pro-WDW and must defend their every move.. I understand that. But.. really, no need to defend something you and I know has run its course, especially to those of us who know better.<<<<< I'm not a CM...And I'm not defending something I "know" has run it's course. That's highly condescending for you just to assume that. I LIKE RoE. The same way you LIKE Fantasmic. And "knowing better"? Really? Opinion is "knowing better"? This is a subjective conversation. And yeah, the hat looks like a cone. At least the Earth Barge looks like a globe, and opens, and has all of the effects that you mentioned. It has pyro, shoots fire, sparkles in synch, and displays video all the way around. No fountains, but we have 4 extra barges for that. >>>I love RoE, but EE is wrong. It's time to go. It's tired. And when even Don Dorsey thinks so, you have to give it a lot of weight.<<<< Opinion is wrong? This is a new one... And for the record, I would like to see RoE updated. It needs some new things. But as it stands, it is still in good repair, still functions, and there are BIGGER PROBLEMS IN EPCOT AND WDW to tackle.
