Originally Posted By gadzuux How un-christian of you. It's a whole lot easier to worship christ than it is to actually follow the teachings. That's how we end up with so many self-professed "christians" who favor torture, death penalty, pre-emptive war, oppression of immigrants, and intolerance towards gays. And they think they've got it right. How about "there are none so blind ..." ?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>It's a whole lot easier to worship christ than it is to actually follow the teachings.<< I know you're no fan of religion, gadzuux, but that is really a very true statement that any person of faith should consider.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I'm the last guy to quote scripture, but I'd like to know how Mormons feel free to ignore Matthew 7:12, which of course is the Golden Rule.
Originally Posted By piperlynne I'm telling you . . "some" "religions" just skip over the parts they don't find relevant and lambast us with scripture that they "think" they know what it means and supports their points. After all. . .its just a book -- written (and rewritten) by men. I didn't know "Christians" were about book worship? I mean. .aren't they supposed to be worshipping GOD and Christ? Seems like holding the bible to such esteem kinda goes against "4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I've asked the question in post 23 many times and never gotten an answer.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I've asked the question in post 23 many times and never gotten an answer.<< Here's your answer: They don't see it that way. There's two insidious pieces of "logic" at work here. First, is that Mormons (and in fairness, any religious supporters of prop 8) see themselves as the victims. It's always the case historically that the oppressors see themselves as the oppressed. The logic went that white southerners' rights were being infringed upon because they were being forced to send their children to school with black children. Furthermore, I frequently see on some acquaintances' Facebook pages, posts lamenting how "good has become evil" and how those who are just doing what is right are being persecuted - a sure sign of the last days. So the golden rule is trumped by much bigger doctrines and self-fulfilling prophecies. Second, the "logic" also goes that saying gay marriage is a golden rule issue is like saying murder or pedophilia is a golden rule issue. If someone wanted to kill another person, I'd never let them under the golden rule, so why would I let them do this sin? Yes, I know how backwards that thinking is, but that's how people see it.
Originally Posted By Mr X Yup. And "logical" thinking such as that is what leads some folks to shoot up abortion clinics and the like. In their mind, they are doing "the right thing".
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I have a serious question. Let's say I marry my boyfriend. We have a big gay ceremony with a big gay cake and we have all our big gay friends and family there. Then we go live our gay lives in our gay house and maybe even adopt a child who may or may not turn out to be gay. While all this is going on, how does it affect you? How does it affect the institution of marriage? Marriage to me is a very personal thing between two people. It's not something to be flaunted around like some kind of status symbol. What happens in one marriage doesn't affect what happens in your marriage. If half of all people get divorced, it doesn't make my marriage any less of whatever it is, for better or for worse. I just don't get it. Someone else getting married, whether they are gay or straight, doesn't affect you or me.
Originally Posted By Labuda "While all this is going on, how does it affect you? How does it affect the institution of marriage?" Well, you could have gotten the wedding planner I wanted, and ergo I got stuck with a second-rate wedding planner, my day wasn't as wonderful as yours, and that planted a seed of discontent that later blossomed into me getting a divorce all becuase you decided to get married! And, just in case ANYONE is taking this seriously, I AM JOKING! This is my way of saying that another couple getting married doens't affect me at all.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Just a sign of the times. From the AP: "LOS ANGELES - Wanda Sykes and wife Alex are the parents of twins. Sykes' publicist, Danica Smith, says the babies, daughter Olivia Lou and son Lucas Claude, were born April 27. Smith says Alex gave birth to the twins and "all are happy and healthy and at home." The twins are the first children for the couple, who married last October." Forget if you like Wanda Sykes or anything like that. What cheers me is the matter-of-fact way the Associated Press uses the words "wife" and "married," as simple facts with no value judgments or complicated explanations. The times, they are a-changin'...
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Many lesbian couples use "wife." I myself use both "husband" and "spouse" depending on the situation and audience.
Originally Posted By hopemax An update in New Hampshire. The Governor has said, that he will veto the bill in its current form. However, if the legislature adds additional language, to protect individuals employed by a religious organization who refuse to participate in a religious marriage ceremony, similar to those provisions in Connecticut's law, then he will sign the bill.
