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Originally Posted By lesmisfan with the economny i understand the cutbacks, but don't we normally bet similar cutbacks on entertainment during the offseason after the holidays and before spring break and summer?
Originally Posted By gadzuux So then, what is the "Celebrate Today Street Event"? I don't recall having heard anything about this and I do try to keep up.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "with the economny i understand the cutbacks" With the economy I understand people not visiting Disneyland. I recommend that's just what people do. So if you're going to pay top dollar to go to Disneyland, just realize what you're getting.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Gadzuux on post #5 is a bit mistaken about the parade history. Parades were seasonal until America on Parade opened in 1975, and then returned in 1976 to seasonal offerings. Daily parades began in the late 80's and even then there has beed periods where no parade has been offered as new ones were being mounted. If no daily parade was good enough for Walt.... >>> Not terribly relevant. Setting aside the fact that Walt was really into plussing and incorporating new technology as it became available, what's status quo today is different than 30 years ago. During the 70's, motion pictures generally weren't even in stereo sound, let alone 5.1 or higher. Does that mean that a movie soundtrack would be okay today if it was in mono, even if that's how Walt saw and made his movies?
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I think this will hurt multi-day visitors the most. Here's my example. In the past a family could, say, watch the parade on Thursday, see the fireworks on Friday, and catch Fantasmic! on Saturday. Now there is no variety. No parade and no fireworks means that Fantasmic! is your only nighttime entertainment option. If you're there for 3-4 days, you've just lost some value on your vacation. Losing fireworks and a parade, even on the weekend, seems like a lot to give up. That's why I say this free birthday ticket scheme isn't really "something for nothing". It's more like a veiled price drop to make up for the cuts that the parks will be seeing in 2009.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones How hard will the recession really hit Disney? Lutz had some positive news in his October update. "While the alarming news coming from the media about the economy in the past few weeks has some industries reeling with suddenly reduced demand, the business at Disneyland has been surprisingly stable and healthy as the busy summer season turns to fall and towards the holidays." I don't see any doomsday scenarios coming true quite yet. "Despite a broad ticket price increase in late summer just before the worst of the financial panic hit the markets, attendance at Disneyland and DCA has held up to the long term projections laid out for September and early October. While overall occupancy at Anaheim hotels has eased a bit from its packed to the rafters rates of 2006-07, the Disney owned hotels in particular are still holding their own with healthy occupancy rates above 90% this fall, with advance Christmas reservations even stronger. Attendance at Disneyland and California Adventure (DCA) has remained healthy, although the planned decrease in attendance post-50th has knocked 5K or 10K off of busy weekends as compared to 2006. Aside from actual ticket sales however, the most important thing is in-park spending at stores and restaurants, and that has remained very healthy. So while there are slightly fewer visitors in Anaheim now, they are so far all still spending at healthy levels." Disneyland is basically hitting long-term projections that were set, I believe, before the recession was a big deal. In a good economy you would see drops from 2005-2006 levels of attendance. Things are looking good so far. Are the cuts truly justified?
Originally Posted By SuperDry Any analysis conducted in October is quite stale by now, especially if it was done early in the month. The October-November period of this year was particularly brutal in a great many economic ways.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I think this will hurt multi-day visitors the most. Here's my example. In the past a family could, say, watch the parade on Thursday, see the fireworks on Friday, and catch Fantasmic! on Saturday. >>> Interesting observation. It's certainly true that if you're an entertainment fiend, if you see the daytime parade, F!, and the fireworks all in one day, and get to each performance early in order to get a good viewing spot, between that and food, a very large portion of your day is taken up. So it's almost as if you have to have a "rides" day and then a separate "entertainment" day if entertainment isn't offered every day.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones It's the lack of variety that irks me. It isn't even about cutting entertainment. I would be happy if they did a parade on Friday, Fantasmic! on Saturday and maybe fireworks on Sunday, or any combination. But to do Fantasmic! every day seems to hurt multi-day visitors the most. Also, consider this. The daily parade is a Disney staple by now. I don't believe they put the parade on the list of "rides not operating today". I think a lot of people are going to be asking, "Hey, where's the stinkin' parade?" and feeling ripped off when there isn't one.
Originally Posted By Westsider The info Al Lutz provided today on his front page is accurate, and clears up most of the confusion. Go read it at Miceage.
Originally Posted By bean "1 NEW! Darkbeer Tue 12/23/2008 6:31p As first mentioned at MiceAge on December 15th... (MousePlanet claimed their info on December 17th was first...) " was this part of the post really necessary. Its funny how some people make it seem like there is a competition going on and that one site or another will get a prize
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "Its funny how some people make it seem like there is a competition going on and that one site or another will get a prize" Uh, there is a competition going on. These sites are revenue generators and vie for the most readers. Why do you think they are so jam packed with advertisements? To keep the lights on? No, some people make a living off of them (though some use volunteers).
Originally Posted By Pollyana Maybe this is why I couldn't get a straight answer when I called guest relations regarding extended hours. I wanted to know if extended hours will be in effect the first week of June. I didn't get a concrete answer, nothing specific. I am pretty sure that the folks at Disneyland know ahead of time about hours and shows and other summertime activities.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I am pretty sure that the folks at Disneyland know ahead of time about hours and shows and other summertime activities. >>> This far in advance, they probably do NOT know. I think a lot depends on how attendance plays out for the first few months of the year.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Uh, there is a competition going on. These sites are revenue generators and vie for the most readers. >>> Not to mention ego generators for some! When I hear about what goes on with some of the other sites, it's really quite amazing.
Originally Posted By x Pirate_Princess x Re: multi-day visitors last December, I was there for 5 full days. I decided to wait, and not see the Holiday fireworks until the 3rd night or so, and then they were cancelled. I think in the 3 times I tried to watch the fireworks, they were cancelled twice. So, even if they were offered, there's always the chance they get cancelled. Same goes for the parade. If it's raining, they don't run the parades. So, I just see it as more opportunity to see what's offered at DCA. I have yet to see HSM3, PPP, and Playhouse Disney (I have a 4 year old). I also have yet to ride TSMM. I just think people are blowing this way out of proportion. If POD is out due to new parade, well, that's perfectly understandable.
Originally Posted By nemopoppins Re posts 32, 33, 36. Just pointing out that no matter who was first, the specifics have been revised a few times since. Kind of makes it meaningless to be first.
Originally Posted By monorailblue ^^^ Agreed. Though I think DB stated it that way as a response to the MP statement. I doubt he would have stated it that way otherwise. Just my hunch.
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs These are other cutbacks that I read on some Disney site on the Internet. There was a picture of Mickey Mouse on it, so you know it HAS to be true... -Instead of fireworks display every night, cast members will pass out sparklers and juggle glow sticks for 10 minutes. -Turkey legs to be replaced by Lunchables. -The Dapper Dans will be reduced to a duo. -Certain lands will be closed to the public every other day. -Brand spanking new Fantasyland Dark Ride-style AAs will be used on Pirates, Splash, Mansion and Indy. -It's a Small World will consist only of the lower 48 US States. -Churros to be replaced by plastic lunchbags full of Cinnamon Toast Crunch. -The Main Street, er, Disney's Electrical Parade will take place entirely in the dark. -Cameras on Splash Mountain to replaced by artist doing stick figure renditions. -Number of ghosts in the Haunted Mansion to be reduced to 9. -CMs with no dental plans are no longer required to smile. -Parades now consist of various Disney characters marching single-file down Main Street USA. -Buffets will be fully stocked in the mornings...and not be refilled until the following day. -Hamburgers will cost $5. Buns and the option of having it cooked will be additional costs. -Instead of pins, the CMs will be trading food stamps. -The Bank of America will re-open on Main Street...and will actually be a legit banking center: get a mortgage from the Mouse! -Exotic Tiki Birds and rare flowers to be replaced by used Teddy Ruxpin dolls and Chia Pets. -Jungle Cruise will consist of a boat put in a CircleVision-style theater where The Jungle Book, The Lion King and Tarzan will play in an infinite loop. -Pirates of the Carribean to later become Pirates of Pittsburgh. -Tomorrowland to be renamed Now. -DCA to be redone with three new lands: Mojave, Compton and Eureka. -AAs from past and present attractions will form to become The American Carousel of the Haunted Country Bears of the Carribean. -Mr. Toad's Wild Ride to become Mr. Toad's Commute. -New Value Package Deals consist of looking at attraction posters while CMs describe the attraction and sing its theme song to you.
