Originally Posted By 3disneylocations Vbdad, your going-away party is like Oprah's last week on the air. I'm afraid if you leave, DVC won't have any defenders and the non-stop negativity might make Mickey cry magical pixie dust tears. For the love of Walt's frozen head, please reconsider!>> Leobloom, you have to be the most negative a$$whole on this site. Put you pants on and crawl out of you parents basement and (try to) enjoy some fresh air and sunshine ("worst poster ever")!
Originally Posted By leobloom With an attitude like that, you'll never get to join one of my tours of Disney's E-ticket restrooms. Just poking some fun at VBdad's multiple dramatic (false) exits. Anyone who feels the need to announce they're leaving the site deserves a little ribbing. It's just a discussion board. But if you're just jealous about the Tony Baxter drawings I have of the original design for the Imagination restrooms (Figments nose was the urinal handle, FYI), then cheer up! There's enough pixie dust to go around! (Especially if you'll fork over a few hundred dollars for .jpegs of these exclusive Imagineering images.)
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<And BTW Walt Disney was cremated, no frozen heads in storage.>> That's what they want you to believe. *Cue X-Files theme*
Originally Posted By leobloom >> And BTW Walt Disney was cremated, no frozen heads in storage. << Oh, dear. I've been telling people on my tours the wrong information. I thought his head was hidden beneath the Pirates restrooms? 3disneylocations, can you please confirm or deny? Accuracy is very important to me.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 Yeah, lets not make DVC the scapegoat here. The problem isnt DVC, its that mgmt doesnt want to invest in the parks. Build as many resorts as you want, but gosh sakes give your guests something new and exciting to see. There is no vision at the top of the WDW food chain.
Originally Posted By ChiMike The overall problem isn't DVC, but without a doubt the DVC program allows Disney to not have to compete as hard when it comes to guest retention. Which goes into your issue, SJHYM, if they don't have to compete as hard, they don't need push as hard in giving their guests something new and exciting to see.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Yeah, lets not make DVC the scapegoat here. The problem isnt DVC, its that mgmt doesnt want to invest in the parks. Build as many resorts as you want, but gosh sakes give your guests something new and exciting to see. There is no vision at the top of the WDW food chain.<<< I agree in full. I don't care what Disney does in the resort business, save for the Poly. I do care, however about attractions, and upkeep, and entertainment. If they do much of one thing without the other, it's a problem. I mean, if WDW were in pristine condition, and they were still building tons and tons and tons of DVCs... I wouldn't bat an eye.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 And I think that is vbdad's point. Dont bash DVC for being there when the problem is not DVC but the lack of vision by mgmt for the parks. I wish someone would give Iger a swift kick in the pants and get him to understand that building attractions at WDW is good business in the long term for WDW.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Of course. But I DO think that too much attention is given to DVC. It distracts them, with "easy money".
Originally Posted By ChiMike I don't argue that point, they have an entirely seperate group of folks whose skill set is to manage the sales of DVC. My arguement is what it does to exisiting resorts and how it lessens Disney's need to be concerned with retaining guests for their next vacation. What causes that guest who just spent $3K to come back next time and spend $4K? I know I am a broken record here, but I do believe that the "dvc effect" is a huge issue between efforts made between DL and WDW. It's not so simple as just to say that DL is local so end of discussion. DL gets quite a bit of out of area visits in its own right.
Originally Posted By Manfried <<But I DO think that too much attention is given to DVC. It distracts them, with "easy money">> Money is what makes the Disney go round, after all.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 DVC isn't the problem, but is it a part of it. Leemac, who understands finance far better than this Spirit, has said as much. There's a certain amount of capital given to WDW to spend on new projects. I don't want to misspeak, but basically DVC developments (and all hotel/resorts) take cash away that could be spent elsewhere. And from a practical/common sense POV, how can anyone look at WDW's infrastructure situation and think simply adding more timeshares and standard hotel rooms is a smart idea except as a very short term bounce to the bottom line? ~GFC~
Originally Posted By Manfried I agree DVC takes capital away. But its business 101 (which is as far as many at Disney ever got) put your capital to work where it can make money, not just maintain a cash flow.
Originally Posted By dshyates Fine, be all real estate oriented. But please stop pretending to be theme park developers.
