Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<if the CM's are not enforcing the FP rules either by choice or company policy that is a huge problem.>> I'd be curious to know when and why this started to occur. Was it regulars who were looking for all the loopholes, and passed this info onto the internet? Also, is it "sanctioned" by management, or did CM's start to let it slide to avoid potential conflict with guests who missed their window?
Originally Posted By DVC_dad ^^^---sorry for the typos, I think I may be drunk, but I don't think so.
Originally Posted By avromark <<AND if you can READ, at full clear explanation is on the Park Map AND any CM will explain it.>> What if English is not your first language?
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I have NEVER been let through early>> Dad, CM's won't let you in early, but they have been letting guests use their FP _after_ the time has technically expired. That is one of the issues that is messing up the system.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Oh. well that stinks. That would cause an over load of the entire system, especially toward the end of the day. Avromark, lol...this coming from a Canadian. How's the weather up there dude? LOL
Originally Posted By avromark Hot my car said 24C Uh many Canadian's done speak English as a first langauge. As well not 100% of the world is literate.
Originally Posted By crazyformickey <<<AND if you can READ, at full clear explanation is on the Park Map AND any CM will explain it.>> What if English is not your first language?>>> In the front of all four parks are a park maps in many different languages. If you take some time I'm sure you can find a cm that speaks the same language as well.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy I can't say for sure what was on the original FastPass designer's mind, but I would think it was more likely along the lines of "Everyone at Disney gets to bypass at least one long line today" and not "The people who have figured it out get all the line bypasses possible, at the furthered expense of the people who have not or choose not." If you have used your free rides, great! That's what FastPass was for! I honestly use it that way too. But to then claim the unused FastPass capacity of the rest of the people "who haven't figured out that you better hurry to get your FastPasses first thing at park opening," I think not. Unused FastPass capacity should simply go back to service the Standby line, and not the system-savvy.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I few years ago I used Fast Pass to get on the Kali River Rapids. The cast member admitting people was allowing ten guests then ten Fast Passers. I thought this was fair. Allowing an even number of Fast Passers and an even number of guests onto a ride or attraction. This allowed the line to keep moving. Fast Passers were still in a line, a much smaller line. What I don't understand is why Fast Passers take presidence and everyone else has to wait while Fast Passers walk onto a ride or attraction. On rides like Soarin with two theaters or two seperate ride systems dedicate one to the Fast Passers and let the other guests board the other ride. When the Fast Pass line is empty then allow regular guests into the Fast Pass line ( I think Space Mountain is currently doing this now ). The way it is right now at DAK unless your Fast Passing then your in line for hours. I like Fast Pass. I think it can work. When I Fast Pass it gives me time to shop, eat or explore. I don't want to see the system go away. I would like to see it more equitable. Nothing is more annoying than standing in line for a ride or attraction while people keep walking down the Fast Pass line and you know its just going to make you wait that much longer. After having to experience this after my third ride/ attraction at DAK, it makes you never want to return to DAK again. On my last trip to DAK ALL the Fast Pass machines were empty. It took me 90 minutes to get on Kilimanjaro Safaris and at least 60 minutes to get on Dinosaur.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> If you didnt do your homework for your trip to WDW shame on you. << What this says to me is that "If you didn't think to arrive at a Disney park at park opening and go directly to your FastPass choices like I did, then it's your fault that you don't have the FastPasses." Shame on you! Not everyone should be expected to enjoy a Disney park by running at 8:01 am. Some people prefer to simply enjoy Disney with their family at a more sensible pace.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> First the Title of the thread...It is certainly fair << I am the OP, and yes that is the title of the thread. But my definition of "fair" does not include "Yes, I used my FP to advantange. But it appears that others are not using theirs. So I want theirs too."
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<That means every one gets equal access. >> But everyone DOES get equal access. I don't get more FP by staying on-site than someone staying in a Days Inn. AP holders don't get more FP than a MYW ticket holder.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I have NEVER been let through early AND never been let through with too FEW passes << This is true. I have never observed this. But I have NEVER seen anyone turned down for showing up late for their FastPass time. Even if they were hours late, let alone minutes.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<I think enforcing the time window is the first place to start in fixing it(despite the fact that I abuse the time window all the time).>> I agree. The time windows should be strictly enforced. Other than that, no major changes need to be made.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> did CM's start to let it slide to avoid potential conflict with guests who missed their window? << I'd be willing to bet this is more likely. Avoiding conflict and letting people in is the more satisfying and easier thing to do. But I'm one of those who challenges smokers in the park and asks them "Sir, you may not realize that this is a non-smoking area. Please smoke only in the designated smoking areas."
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> The time windows should be strictly enforced << I agree entirely with this notion. Do it now! One point though -- When I get my FastPass for some attraction, and it happens to be already on top of a dinner reservation I've already got -- I'm screwed. I can't change the FP time, and I can't even just cancel the FastPass so I can go get a different one. What I'd like to be able to do is to ask the FP machine to push my time back to AFTER my dinner reservation. Which would then free up the original time that the machine offered me for someone else.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Here's one more question -- (I've gotta leave for work) -- I would like to know why some FastPassers feel it's all right for them to use unused FP capacity? Why is it such a problem to simply say "2 tickets max per day per person."
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<What I'd like to be able to do is to ask the FP machine to push my time back to AFTER my dinner reservation. Which would then free up the original time that the machine offered me for someone else.>> I think FP is pretty simple to understand, but there are still people who don't understand it. If you throw in a change like that, all heck would break loose.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<I would like to know why some FastPassers feel it's all right for them to use unused FP capacity? Why is it such a problem to simply say "2 tickets max per day per person.">> What is unused FP capacity? WDW made the rules. They are the ones that say you can get a new FP after your ride time "window" has begun, or two hours after you got your last one. We are obeying the rules. So how is that using "unused FP Capacity?"
Originally Posted By NJFIREGUY <<Shame on you! Not everyone should be expected to enjoy a Disney park by running at 8:01 am. Some people prefer to simply enjoy Disney with their family at a more sensible pace.>> Ok then by the same token the should reseve seats at the parades, fireworks, Fantasmic etc. for people who dont want to get there an hour early because there moving at a more sensible pace. I gotta tell ya maybe its the time of year i go or whatever but i certainly dont get to the parks for open and outside of Test Track cant recall ever having a problem getting a FP. <<I would like to know why some FastPassers feel it's all right for them to use unused FP capacity?>> WED could you please educate me on this you've mentioned it several times and I dont know what your talking about. If I did I might agree with you. Isnt there a limit to how many FP you can have at one time?
