Originally Posted By DVC_dad Boo Hoo! bunch of babies... FP is here to stay and any new visitors to the parks need only ASK if they can't read. I have explained the Fastpass system to probably half a dozen mom's or dad's in my recent visits. It's NOT rocket science. So to all you whiners, enjoy the Fastpass or hate it. It's fair. If you don't like the FP lines filling up later in the day when people come back late, then write a letter about it and get there when the park opens. This topic is old now. None of us can change it anyway, so why bother with a debate? Bottom line: Anyone can get a fastpass, and I don't EVER abuse the system...which the only way I could would be to come after my FP time is expired, which, I have never done and will never do. The only thing I HAVE done is to give Fastpasses away, but then that only puts someone in my rightful spot in line, so I don't think that is abuse either.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I would like to know why some FastPassers feel it's all right for them to use unused FP capacity>> I understand where you are coming from, but if FP's aren't being used, it doesn't truly hurt anyone to use them, regardless of who is using them. Let me illustrate with the people who do not know about FP: is it anyone's fault that they don't know about it or use it, other than those guests themselves? If they complain about how long the lines are, why didn't they think about how they could avoid them? If they are not complaining, then how does it matter if some other guest uses the unused FP capacity?
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<The only thing I HAVE done is to give Fastpasses away, but then that only puts someone in my rightful spot in line, so I don't think that is abuse either.>> I have done this as well. As you say, the spots are already reserved, so it doesn't affect the system negatively.
Originally Posted By sherrytodd <<Shame on you! Not everyone should be expected to enjoy a Disney park by running at 8:01 am. Some people prefer to simply enjoy Disney with their family at a more sensible pace.>> Don't see much to this arguement. Even before fastpass, the guests who arrived at the parks at opening would get more benefit out of the park due to shorter lines and less crowds. I don't see saving spots in lines for people who wanted to sleep in that day. The early bird gets the worm, and the fastpasses and the shorter lines.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m How anyone could NOT know about FP is beyond me. There are machines at the attractions that have them, and there are signs at those machines. When you get in line for an attraction that offers FP, there is a Stand-by line and a FP line. So if I had no idea what FP was, I would say to someone "What are these FP lines?" "What are those machines over there for?" I agree that there are certain attractions that should not have FP. I believe it was removed from HM, and I believe that was a good move. Also, people have meantioned removing it from Mickey's Philharmagic. I agree, if it hasn't already been removed, it should be. But for the truly great E tickets that form long lines, FP belongs there, and those that choose to get in the stand by line do that by choice. They are welcome to get a FP and come back later. I understand that some people get to a park late in the day, and all of the FP are gone. But, you either enjoyed sleeping in, or were in another park earlier in the day. I'm sorry that you couldn't make it to Epcot until 5 PM, and wanted to ride TT, but all of the FP are gone. But that does not make FP unfair. We went to AK at the end of the day in August 2004 and enjoyed 2 major attractions and one of the walking trails in an hours time. So if you get to Epcot at 5PM and want to ride TT without a 60 minute wait, then why not wait until close to FW closing time, which I believe is 7 PM? When we go to Dorney Park, which is an amusement park in PA, we wait until the last hour to enjoy the roller coasters because we know many of the guests have left the park by then, and the wait time for the big roller coasters is 5-10 minutes.
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 <<<One point though -- When I get my FastPass for some attraction, and it happens to be already on top of a dinner reservation I've already got -- I'm screwed. I can't change the FP time, and I can't even just cancel the FastPass so I can go get a different one>> I thought there was clock telling you at the FP machine what time was available for that FP... FP time 5:45 pm wouldn't you know not to take one if it conflicted with your dinner reservations... Am I wrong..???
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<<<<One point though -- When I get my FastPass for some attraction, and it happens to be already on top of a dinner reservation I've already got -- I'm screwed. I can't change the FP time, and I can't even just cancel the FastPass so I can go get a different one>> I thought there was clock telling you at the FP machine what time was available for that FP... FP time 5:45 pm wouldn't you know not to take one if it conflicted with your dinner reservations... Am I wrong..??? >> Yep, as Russ said, you're right. So you would have to decide when getting your FP if it is of benefit to you, and if you will be there to use it. Again, it's not Disney's fault if people dont' understand that.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Ok then by the same token the should reseve seats at the parades, fireworks, Fantasmic etc. for people who dont want to get there an hour early because there moving at a more sensible pace << Please -- not quite the same thing. Everyone knows what time Fantasmic, the parades, and fireworks are scheduled. You can arrange your visit around waiting for those to start. Waiting at a spot for a parade to start for an hour and a half is like waiting in a Standby line. Everyone does it the same. FastPass is about some future time that you have no control over. It's just the next one available. And you also have to get to the park EARLY on any given day to be able to get a FastPass AT ALL for some attractions.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> WED could you please educate me on this you've mentioned it several times and I dont know what your talking about. If I did I might agree with you. << I have to agree with you on this one. This notion of "Just 2 FP's per person per day" is such a simple thing that would make things more "fair," and implementable with already existing FP systems, that I wonder why WDI doesn't already do it? I'm going to have to ask around why. I'll let you know if I get an answer on it.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy "Unused FastPass capacity" -- Here's the deal. There are only so many FP's per day for an attraction. It's a number that they decide on that "makes sense" for any given day. Obviously, if they didn't limit the daily number they could issue FP's to all who would ask. This would get to the point where on some attractions there would be no way to get in AT ALL if you were going Standby! Note that in a case like that then the entire Standby line would have just become the entire FastPass line. What have we accomplished then other than you don't have to come back until you're appointed time? If there's a limited number of FP's per day, then it's possible to run out of them. (happens often on Soarin' and Test Track) But if not all the FP's are issued on a given day, then there's "unused FP capacity" that would have been issued to someone had they asked. If you limit the number of FP's per person every day to 2, there would be a larger chance of FP's going unused, at least by the same persons getting FP's over and over again. I would suggest that it would be more "fair" for "unused FP capacity." to go back into servicing the Standby line, rather than doling it out to people who have already had their 2 for the day.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Isnt there a limit to how many FP you can have at one time? << Yes. But there's no limit (now) on how many you can have in a given day. I would add that rule.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> FP is here to stay and any new visitors to the parks need only ASK if they can't read << And IF THEY GET TO THE PARK RIGHT AT OPENING TIME. If they don't, FP insiders can suck up the available capacity before they even get into the park on an given day. Unfair!
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> The only thing I HAVE done is to give Fastpasses away, but then that only puts someone in my rightful spot in line, so I don't think that is abuse either. << But I believe it is. Or at least can become that. What's to stop me from selling my FP ticket to someone who needs it rather than giving it away? They already traffic in visitor tickets down on US Hwy 192 when they can't do that legally already. You're not supposed to be able to sell or even give away unused tickets on your 7 day pass. What's to stop FP's from popping up on the black market down on 192 if anyone can use them, even AFTER their appointed time?
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> FP's aren't being used, it doesn't truly hurt anyone to use them, regardless of who is using them. << Yes it does hurt to use unused FP capacity. It AUTOMATICALLY makes the Standby line longer, and for the sake of people using FP's that are someone else's.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I thought there was clock telling you at the FP machine what time was available for that FP... FP time 5:45 pm wouldn't you know not to take one if it conflicted with your dinner reservations... Am I wrong..??? << Yes. But now I have go somewhere for 2 hours and then come back again and HOPE that some FP's are still available. Better for me to simply keep the FP tickets I've already got in hand and just show up late to use them. They'll still let me in. (They shouldn't -- but they do)
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<It AUTOMATICALLY makes the Standby line longer, and for the sake of people using FP's that are someone else's.>> But if everyone starts using FP anyway, the stand-by lines will be just as long!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Better for me to simply keep the FP tickets I've already got in hand and just show up late to use them. They'll still let me in. (They shouldn't -- but they do)>> So you want to fix the FP system to make it more fair, yet you are willing to abuse the system to your advantage. Ooookayyy.
