Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <I agree with Tmom...If you didnt do your homework for your trip to WDW shame on you.> More and more, if you don''t micro-manage your trip to WDW or Disneyland, you're poop out of luck on getting on certain rides, or having any spontanaety at all. And gosh help you if you're not there for rope-drop so you can race to all the attractions and get a fastpass. I work too hard at work -- I don't want to take a vacation where everything is schedulized down to when I buy a churro and go pee-pee. I'm not saying that others aren't allowed to do that -- but I don't think the parks need to lean toward those who plan more.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy I just started another thread on this topic with another idea. Check it out if you want to. Topic: FastPass more "fair" -- Take2 -- 1 day in advance <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/default.asp?WCI=MsgBoard&WCE=T-74923-P-1&Refresh=20060421" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/de fault.asp?WCI=MsgBoard&WCE=T-74923-P-1&Refresh=20060421</a>%2009:36:38
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> But if everyone starts using FP anyway, the stand-by lines will be just as long! << If everyone only gets 2, there would be a point where EVERYONE would be in the Standby line. Including the FP insiders who have already had their 2 for the day. But would be unable to get the FP's that would have been used by another guest that day who didn't use them.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<If everyone only gets 2, there would be a point where EVERYONE would be in the Standby line. Including the FP insiders who have already had their 2 for the day. But would be unable to get the FP's that would have been used by another guest that day who didn't use them.>> No. You are assuming a static model, where everyone arrives at the park in the morning, or gets their FP's at the same time. There will always be guests using their FP throughout the day; there will never be a point where there is only a stand-by queue.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> So you want to fix the FP system to make it more fair, yet you are willing to abuse the system to your advantage. Ooookayyy. << Give me a break. I've not said that FP is bad. I use it occasionally myself. I HAVE said that "FP abuse" is bad. And anything more than 2 a day (in my opinion), or giving usused FPs to someone else (in my opinion)is a form of FP abuse. (in my opinion) Yes, I have even occasionally used a ticket later than it's appointed time. Is that a form of FP abuse? Sure it is. Not proud of it, but I've done it when I simply got help up and showed up late. By the way, if I'd been turned back by the CM at the gate, I would NOT have put up a fuss. And I would gladly give up ANY exceptions to any published rules if THEY WOULD ENFORCE SUCH RULES. They don't.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I don't want to take a vacation where everything is schedulized down to when I buy a churro and go pee-pee. I'm not saying that others aren't allowed to do that -- but I don't think the parks need to lean toward those who plan more. << Agreed. My point exactly.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I just started another thread on this topic with another idea>> WHY? YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU DON'T WANT OTHERS TO DO WITH FP'S!
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I'd hate to be the Cast Member who has to 'deny' the guest entrance to the attraction because that guest's FastPass time has passed. I imagine it would get ugly. When you're telling a guest 'you're early, you have to wait' it's one thing -- when you say 'you're late, you can't come in' -- that's a tough customer service situation.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I HAVE said that "FP abuse" is bad. And anything more than 2 a day (in my opinion), or giving usused FPs to someone else (in my opinion)is a form of FP abuse. (in my opinion) Yes, I have even occasionally used a ticket later than it's appointed time. Is that a form of FP abuse? Sure it is. Not proud of it, but I've done it when I simply got help up and showed up late. By the way, if I'd been turned back by the CM at the gate, I would NOT have put up a fuss. And I would gladly give up ANY exceptions to any published rules if THEY WOULD ENFORCE SUCH RULES.>> Double talk. You blame the CM for not enforcing the rules, yet you are willing to abuse the system, just becaus ethey don't stop you. YOU should stop yourself. It's like saying, "I stole the money because they let me."
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> there will never be a point where there is only a stand-by queue. << In my argument I was talking about the fact that they limit the number of FP's per attraction per day already. BUT IF THEY DIDN'T, then it would be possible to simply issue FP's until ALL the ride's capacity was gone for the ENTIRE DAY. In a case like that (which they wouldn't do, of course) then they would have to close the Standby line. Because the wait then for the Standby line would be infinite. In a case like that, there would only be a FP line, because the Standby line would be closed. So the FP line would have just become the Standby line. Only one where the guests all were in order by the time on their slips. -------------- Yes, people use their FP's all day right alongside the Standby. But they DO stop issuing FP's at some point.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU DON'T WANT OTHERS TO DO WITH FP'S! << No I'm not. Where do you get that? What does starting another thread possibly have to do with FPs? I started a separate thread because I talks about a totally different idea for FP. And I've discovered once threads get too long they tend to meander into arguments about tiny little points. And quite often are sidetracked from what the OP had in mind. To put a brand new good idea into a thread that's already down in the 60's would bury it. ------------ If you don't want to go there, don't.
Originally Posted By Chelledun And anything more than 2 a day (in my opinion), or giving usused FPs to someone else (in my opinion)is a form of FP abuse. (in my opinion) Where did this two a day thing come from? Did you come up with that on your own? I don't understand how it is abuse because no one has ever told me you are only supposed to use two in a day.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> When you say 'you're late, you can't come in' -- that's a tough customer service situation. << Very true. That's probably why it doesn't happen. I've not seen people turned down when they show up more than 4 HOURS after their appointed time! Cripes. And you'd think you could at least get away with standing up to the guest for being 4 HOURS late, wouldn't you? Here's the deal. As soon as people become aware that they won't be turned down for showing up late -- no matter how late! -- some will simply get more FP's and abuse the system by showing up late regularly.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Where did this two a day thing come from?>> It's his proposal to make FP mair "fair." <<no one has ever told me you are only supposed to use two in a day.>> Because it's not the reality, only an idea.
Originally Posted By Chelledun ^^Ok, I was just checking. I understand it is a proposal I just don't understand how anyone can consider it abuse right now since that is not the rule.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss We're discussing a separate issue, about using FP's beyond the time window printed on the ticket... how that is "abuse."
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m Listen, none of us is any position to change the way FP operates. Some people like it, some people don't. No matter what the people who don't like it say, the people who do like it will continue to like it (like me). No matter what people who like it say to people who don't like it, the people who don't like it will continue not to like it. I love FP. LONG LIVE FP!!!!!
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> YOU should stop yourself. It's like saying, "I stole the money because they let me." << Go away. I'm trying to fix the system so it would be FAIR FOR ALL. You're telling me "you should fix yourself." How is fixing myself going to change the system? I'm saying if I CAN ABUSE the system, and I'M AT LEAST EMBARRASSED TO DO IT, then there are many others out there who are also abusing the system, who somehow feel that it's practically an entitlement.
