Originally Posted By t1lersm0m And I don't think being educated in the uses of FP is "abusing" the FP system. I don't condone using it before or after the one hour window. I am for using it the way it is set up right now. You look at the clock, and determine if the one hour window fits your schedule. If it does, GREAT!!! Get the FP. Once the one hour window begins, you can get another FP. If the one hour window is too far away, then you can get another one two hours after you got the one you currently possess.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<I'm trying to fix the system so it would be FAIR FOR ALL. You're telling me "you should fix yourself." How is fixing myself going to change the system?>> That's the problem...it IS already fair for all. If you choose to sleep in, then you choose to sleep in. If you get up early and are at the park for rope drop, then good for you. FP doesn't descriminate. It doesn't say "You're African American, you can't have one." It doesn't say "Apers can get 20 a day, while regular guests can get 10."
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Where did this two a day thing come from? Did you come up with that on your own? No one has ever told me you are only supposed to use two in a day. << Sorry -- didn't mean to confuse. The 2 a day thing is entirely my own suggestion. Right now there are no limits, except when they flat out run out of FP's. That means you might be lucky and get 4 or 5 FP's on a given day! That would be good for you. Whereas others will get NONE because they "weren't as smart" on how to use the system. That's unfair. At least for Disney. Maybe on the stock market it's ok. Why 2? I don't know. Maybe only 1 would work. Maybe 3. Mostly I'm suggesting that SOME limit be there, other than "when the FP's have run out."
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I cannot wrap my head aroud anything you said in #70... sorry. << I'm sorry too, honestly. It's all about system load balancing functions. It's easier to explain with diagrams.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<Whereas others will get NONE because they "weren't as smart" on how to use the system. That's unfair. At least for Disney. Maybe on the stock market it's ok.>> How is being educated on the use of FP unfair to people who are not educated on the use? The info is out there!
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I love FP. LONG LIVE FP!!!!! << And whether you believe it or not, I AGREE WITH YOU! I just want it to be more fair for all. And it is possible WITHIN THE CURRENT system. Too many insiders feel that "Whatever the system allows me to get must be fair." Fine. Work the system for all you can. I just want the system to limit what any single person can get on any given day. All we're arguing about after that is "How much?" Right?
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I am for using it the way it is set up right now. << And you are obeying the rules as they are written on the ticket. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS! You are doing the right thing! I am with you on this! But are you aware that there others out there who do not follow the rules as they are written on the ticket? And they'll show up late and go in anyway? And that if they are getting more of the ride's capacity than they should, that it makes your next wait longer? You're okay with that?
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Go away.>> Nice. <<I'm trying to fix the system so it would be FAIR FOR ALL. You're telling me "you should fix yourself." How is fixing myself going to change the system?>> Change starts at home. You shouldn't expect things to be change if you are unwilling to make changes yourself. <<if I CAN ABUSE the system, and I'M AT LEAST EMBARRASSED TO DO IT>> Regardless of your feelings, it affects those around you. It doens't matter that you feel embarrassed... you inconvenienced someone else just the same.
Originally Posted By Dlmusic As a former Cast Member who worked with FASTPASS I think I should give my knowledge of the system in a hope that it might explain some of the questions: Q: Why do so many people go in through the FASTPASS line while the standby line barely moves? A: Disney usually works FASTPASS in at a high ratio, sometimes as high as 80% FASTPASS to 20% standby. The idea behind this is that most people want to use FASTPASS and standby is more of a last resort. Q: Why doesn't Disney enforce the FASTPASS time window, instead allowing guests to show up very late? A: The vast majority (probably 98%) show up either early or in the first 30 minutes of their window. The small number of guests who do not show up at the proper time is neglible on capacity. Most guests don't want to wait longer before riding the attraction and the majority of late FASTPASS use is the result of guest error, ride breakdowns and various other situations so it becomes a matter of service recovery. Also, you have to consider there is a percentage of FASTPASS which never gets used because guests change their minds on riding the attraction or even what park to stay in. I don't quite understand how FASTPASS in unfair in terms of people who know the system being able to use it better than people who don't. Ever since I was a kid I knew which rides to experience at different times and avoided longer lines due to my Disney knowledge. If it weren't for the guests making incorrect decisions, such as riding the low capacity attractions in the middle of the day while I was enjoying the higher capacity attractions I would not have been able to take advantage of the situation. It certainly isn't unethical to use your knowledge. Now is it "unfair?" Yes, in a way it is. But the unfairness comes from the fact that I am entering the theme park with more knowledge than the majority of guests. No matter what system the park used, I would still have that unfair advantage. The only remedy would be to somehow make the park guests instantly understand theme park logic, how capacity works, crowd flow psychology, etc.
Originally Posted By Dlmusic I also forgot to mention in regards to using FASTPASS late that I think Disney also understands that you have no choice in the time window selected so it's understandable that the window could be very inconvienient to come back at that time. You might ask then, "Why do people get FASTPASS for times they don't want?" Well do you really think after walking all the way from the front entrance to the back of the park to obtain a FASTPASS for that attraction that a guest should be expected to do a 180 and return when they think the time will be better? Not to mention nobody (even the Cast Members) could tell you when you could arrive for say a 5:30-6:30 FASTPASS. The amount of FASTPASS distributed varies drastically from day to day and hour to hour that it would be impossible to line it up to a good time. So in the end, I think that allowing guests to enter attractions after their first time in the FASTPASS window comes up is a good policy and does not equal unfair use.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN FP will never be a fair system as long as there are guests standing in a Standby line, either by choice or by FP distribution all done for the day. It's simply not a fair system. The fact that it is opened to "abuse" by CMs admitting guests into FP lines after their window has expired or by knowing how to play the sytem by knowledge...adds to the unfairness of the whole thing.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I just want it to be more fair for all>> It's either fair, or not fair. There isn't a "more fair." I understand you are just wanting everyone to be able to get a FP. I don't have any issue with that. I just don't think limiting people to two FP's is necessarily going to solve anything, as I am not sure how many people typically use more than that anyway. I doubt there are that many guests that are savvy enough to be holding four or more FP's for one park in one day.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> As a former Cast Member who worked with FASTPASS I think I should give my knowledge of the system << Thank you for the good info. I'm very glad to hear from someone who's been there and knows. My questions come from FPs that are already flat out gone on any given day, before some people even make it into the park. Should they get to the park earlier anyway to get their FPs? Maybe. But that can be a hard burden to put on families with lots of little kids or seniors. And they all have to be physically in the park before they can get an FP for the whole group. Even if they send someone from their group ahead to do the actual FP ticketing.
Originally Posted By jomach08 It's not "fair" to the people who don't know that the rule is not enforced. 2 ways to fix it. 1. Enforce the Rule. 2. Drop the rule, and tell people they can use it after the time.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> So in the end, I think that allowing guests to enter attractions after their first time in the FASTPASS window comes up is a good policy and does not equal unfair use. << Okay -- I can go with this sentiment. What you're saying than is that the limiting time on the ticket is more psychological than anything else. It's not a real limit. They won't let you in BEFORE your return starting time of 3:20pm, but they WILL let you in if you show up after 4:20.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> That's the problem...it IS already fair for all. If you choose to sleep in, then you choose to sleep in. If you get up early and are at the park for rope drop, then good for you. << You don't have kids, do you?
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m FYI, my son is 8. He was 2, nearly 3 when we took him in February 2001. He was 4 when we took him January 2003. He was 6 when we took him March 2004 and August 2004.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<My apologies, honestly. I didn't not see "Tyler's Mom" in t1lersm0m.>> That's OK. A lot people don't realize that's what it means. I came up with the name when I was working for a bank, and they had suggestions on creating unique passwords by using numbers in place of letters. And I figured, people I'm sure use the name tylersmom, but whenever I have to register for a website or email address, no one has ever used t1lersm0m.
