Originally Posted By xrayvision ^ True. And, steel coasters aren't victorian either, but it was kinda themed to look so. Maliboomer could be themed to Dinsey/Pixar's "UP" using the movie's victorian home with wrap around porch as the queue theme. There could be audio-animatronic movie character used to entertain guests in queue (like the Potato Head barker), And, the attraction vehicles, tower and topper could be themed using movie elements that also match the pier theme (balloons, peacock, dog sitting in a period plane rotating on the top of the tower). The tower is not staying, but it could be themed to period, matching the rest of the pier environment using an award winning Pixar theme.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> I think it's true that the budget was tight, but considering that I think DCA turned out beautifully. << I bet DCA would have ended up being less of a dud if the people responsible for it had, no, *not* more money to play with. I bet it would have turned out less mediocre if they had a greater sense of quality and a greater sense of what made something visually attractive or not. In fact, they could have *saved* money if they had scrutinized the various details of the original plans and said "get rid of that! Since we can't do it right, we shouldn't do it at all!!" But they didn't follow that approach or probably didn't even even understand the value of it. So now 8 years later and the various things they designed and built have been, are being, or will be torn down. I saw the following quote in Sunday's New York Times, which made me think the person should have added: "And never trust your own judgment when supervising the development of a theme park if you believe Coney Island is something worth emulating!" >>>>> But Mr. Eisner does have some advice: As Mr. Iger continues to mature, he must never “allow arrogance to overpower him like it does many C.E.O.’s.” <<<<<
Originally Posted By xrayvision >>you know its funny I was thinking about this earlier, but the logic that the rides in the pier sould be ripped out becuase they are flat and simple and not up to par with disney is funny, because by this logic then King Arthur's Carousel and Dumbo should be ripped out as well.<< Agreed. Universal's IOA has a similar ride to Maliboomer, called Dr. Doom. But, the IOA Dr. Doom towers and queue are currently better themed than Maliboomer, giving the attraction a higher quality feel (IMO) than just a carnival ride (similar to how Disney treated Dumbo and King Arthur's Carousel). Doom also uses a ride audio track at loading (after safety instructions) that gives a sense of foreboding (and pretends a false launch and surprises guest when the actual launch happen). Maliboomer could have the same or better treatment in theming to give the ride a storyline, sense of danger and theming that's more in line with other DLR flat rides. And, UP! could be a cool theme to match the ride, area theme and use of Pixar in DCA. For symmetry, or to maintain a visual weenie on that part of the pier to keep people's interest in walking from Toy Story to Mickey's Symphony Swings, it would be nice to tall vertical attraction in the Maliboomer location. Whether it be a re-themed version of Maliboomer or a observation tower attraction (like a Sky Tower that everyone can ride and can also be themed).
Originally Posted By xrayvision OK, where's an edit feature when you need it. lol. Should say "it would be nice to have a tall vertical attraction in the Maliboomer location, whether it be a re-themed version of Maliboomer or an observation tower attraction (like a Sky Tower that everyone can ride, which can also be themed).
Originally Posted By Hista98 I don't really see what "UP" would have to do with a vicotrian look. Plus all the rides are now being rethemed to classic disney cartoons and I think Up is too recent to fall into this catagory though.
Originally Posted By xrayvision Toy Story Mania at Paradise Pier is not classic Disney, it's Disney/Pixar. The old man in UP! (another Disney/Pixar feature) had a Victorian house which was well featured in the movie, which a house's exterior color and style could complement Toy Story Mania's facade if the house was used a a queue facade. And, the movie went though several periods of time, especially during flashbacks of he and his wife. Not saying UP! is the best option, but it beats a once considered Toy Story Army Men Jump Tower (now being installed at WDS).
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "So you're finally onboard!! Alrighty I'll call Mr. X and we get some beers and get this party jumpin!!!! ;D" although my views on individual elements changes all the time, I'm afraid my overall view is that boring, somehow unsatisfying ( to some) shades of gray thing; a bit more nuanced than either "there's nothing wrong" or simple bashing, with or without emoticons. Glad to see some actually moving toward THAT, actually.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Oy The Dumbo ride at Disneyland was part of the opening of Disneyland in 1955. And while it may be just a 'spinner' I would consider the Dumbo ride to be an iconic parr of Disneyland with a ton of history. So, to use the Dumbo ride as justification for installing an off-the-shelf space shot ride seems to ignore the fact that the Dumbo ride is over 50 years old. Walt Disney and his Imagineers were inventing the modern theme park business back then -- and my expectations are different for the group of Imagineers who were planning DCA in 1998. Having 'sea side pier' as a theme -- even for Disney -- is fine, I suppose. That said, I expect Disney to do more than just plop down standard amusement park rides.
Originally Posted By Hista98 but those are the rides found at a pier. what other rides could they have.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <but those are the rides found at a pier. what other rides could they have.> Well, there's a difference between replicating a seaside pier and using that theme to create something spectacular. Similar to some of the themed hotels in Vegas -- 'New York, New York' does not attempt to recreate New York City, but offers an impression of The Big Apple.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "The Dumbo ride at Disneyland was part of the opening of Disneyland in 1955. And while it may be just a 'spinner' I would consider the Dumbo ride to be an iconic parr of Disneyland with a ton of history." Jim, I don't understand this. Why can't the pier attractions get the "Disney" treatment and become iconic and an important part of DCA history over time? While it's certainly a stretch to call the Swings a jewel as the designer did in the preview video, I do think that they've done a great job transforming that rather basic off the shelf ride into something charming and befitting a Disneyfied version of a seaside pier.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Well -- Dumbo is Dumbo. Sure, it's a spinner, but it has those custom designed flying elephants. And again, it was installed 50+ years ago, when theme parks were a whole new concept. Mali-Boomer has -- nothing really. I think if you're Disney, with 50+ years of theme park experience, and Disneyland is right across the street, you have to be more clever than just installing an off-the-shelf 'space shot' ride. Sorry, but if you're Disney -- people expect more than that. At least I do.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I think if you're Disney, with 50+ years of theme park experience, and Disneyland is right across the street, you have to be more clever than just installing an off-the-shelf 'space shot' ride." Well luckily they did do more than just that.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Well luckily they did do more than just that> Kind of. With the pier, I think it could have used an extra 'tweak' from the Imagineers -- similar to the backstory used to create WDWs Pleasure Island. I'm not suggesting that Paradise Pier be given the cannery/warehouse look, but -- just because the theme is 'seaside pier' doesn't mean that it has to include an off-the-shelf space shot or mad mouse ride. One idea could have been to re-create old pier rides from defunct seaside piers -- similar to the Golden Zephyr -- which, while it's tecnically a 'spinner' is also very unusual. And sure, a parachute drop ride is typical of old seaside piers -- Knotts had one for years, so maybe as Disney, you don't get to build one of those. I'm not an Imagineer. But my feeling is if they'd taken a bit more time, 'seaside pier' could have morphed into something truly spectacular and possibly unique.
Originally Posted By jmuboy Well, I have a question to pose. Personally, I would rather see WDI keep the MaliBoomer as is (maybe given the queue / load area a new paint job and some period specific details and new sign and marquee). But instead of removing it, take that $$ and use it to retheme the Screamin' station and rebuild a new queue for Screamin' as well. What would you guys choose if you had to decide between the 2?
Originally Posted By Manfried Bye bye Maliboomer. Bye bye cheap old ride. So long Maliboomer. You never were a good Disney ride. (Think of a brothers' singing duo for the melody.)
Originally Posted By oc_dean ... if it's good enuogh for Six Flags its good enough for........... again - BUH BYE! Go. Just go!
Originally Posted By avatarmickey115 Yaaaa, I'd love to see a new queue for Screamin', but Mailiboomer is just the crappiest ride I've ever seen at a Disney park. Although the Golden Zephyr has always bugged me too, I'd still rather have Maliboomer go and have a new (better) attraction pop up there, maybe not as high
