Originally Posted By skinnerbox OK, fine. In an indirect way, I called Donny a racist. But I specifically stated why I referred to his Obama hatred as being rooted in racism. I gave specific examples of why I believe he's steeped in Obama Derangement Syndrome. You called him an 'idiot' and took off. No explanation, no reasoning, nothing that Donny could reflect on, if he chose to consider your words. By definition, that's a personal attack. Donny engages in personal attacks on a regular basis. Why would you want to lower yourself down to his level? If you think he's an 'idiot,' then take the time to tell him why. Otherwise, any criticisms he chooses to toss your way in the future might possibly evoke a sympathetic response, when he complains about not knowing why posters like you hate him so much.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka I think, at this late date, it's a waste of time talking to Donny at all, let alone continually spelling out why he's wrong, stupid and/or racist. He thinks he's some sort of brilliant thorn in our sides because he knows the "truth". In reality, he's just annoying because he is a reminder of how many idiots there are in the world.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "You called him an 'idiot' and took off. No explanation, no reasoning, nothing that Donny could reflect on, if he chose to consider your words. By definition, that's a personal attack. Donny engages in personal attacks on a regular basis. Why would you want to lower yourself down to his level? If you think he's an 'idiot,' then take the time to tell him why. Otherwise, any criticisms he chooses to toss your way in the future might possibly evoke a sympathetic response, when he complains about not knowing why posters like you hate him so much." His posts in this thread alone are explanation enough. Seriously. The Matt Damon stuff was bad, but then, impossibly, it got worse. His posts here are some of the dumbest, most misinformed bundle of tripe imaginable. Given the last few years in politics, much less what has transpired on these boards as well, only an idiot would continue to degenerate into this kind of mindless babble. It's one thing to have differing viewpoints, but really, he doesn't have one, because what he apparently believes in exists only in some other dimension of thought not accessible by reasonable, rational people. He doesn't come by what he believes honestly, because none of it is reality. He's everything bad about the extreme wing of the right rolled into one mass of protoplasm that has access to a computer. It's not stooping to his level, it's letting him now there are other people out there who think this about him, because the conclusion is inescapable. The GOP didn't get smarter, they got Donny. Rather than go through all this, I just cut to the chase and use the word idiot.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <What if that so called "source" has made some determination about you solely from reading your posts and has never met you in person?> That makes no sense. Donny could have said he made that determination himself based on reading posts. But his statement clearly indicates that Donny was claiming some other "source" who would know SPP in some deeper way. After all, ALL of us read posts here. Donny could have said "I agree with (insert name here) when he said about you..." blah blah blah. But no. Donny said he "heard about" something "from a pretty good source." Unnamed source, of course. If the "source" is simply another poster here, what the hell kind of "source" is that. No, Donny was blowing smoke, claiming someone (whom he wouldn't name) with a deeper connection than just posting here said something bad about SPP. But apparently I'm the only one who's ever met SPP in person (and he's a good guy). <I just don't see how you can conclude that Donny lied. > I do.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I'm not sure why people still dip their toes in the Donny pool. See his post, smirk and move on. Problem solved. Some people can change. He obviously can't. So, why bother?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Understood. Although a). mine was really a response to barboy and b). If someone flat out lies about you, I think it's legit to call him on it. Now, Donny just offering yet another nonsensical opinion; yes, perhaps those should just be ignored.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I could give a rat's behind if Donny lied about me. I don't know him. He doesn't know me. He has 0 credibility. My life is, frankly, too involved for me to worry about what someone I don't know says about me. And my post was not a reaction to your's, dabob, but to the entire thread after Post #1.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 WOw, I had to go back a read a thread where it became OK to use personal attacks.... I mean really, why does anyone get excited one way or another by any 'celebrity' view of anything in politics, unless that celebrity actually chooses to get involved and run themselves ? Conservative or liberal- their opinions are usually, 50,000 foot thought process crap. Most are parts of the 1% financially the left hates anmd the right chooses to deny. AS far as Obama, I don;t give a rat's behind who in Hollywood thinks what about him. My opinions on Obama are basically unchanged from what I wrote here before the election, and based on actual life in a state where he was part of the ruling party. I felt then that he was not a traditional 'leader' - as his party here makes all the decisions and he was not allowed to enter any of his own on the way up- and I believe many people will also say the same about him. He is a very bright individual, but not that blood and guts leader that some claim is needed in politics or sports or business or whatever. I am not so sure it is a fatal flaw- for any of those roles--a complete analysis has to be done. Again to borrow from Denny Green- he is who I thought he was. I give him slightly higher makrs thaan I thought about trying to leave Chicago politics behind- but worry that the last year or so , some of those IOU's are coming due - cases in point- the appointment of Mayor Daley's brother who is let's just say not the sharpest crayon in the box, and the behind the scenes work to put Rahm Emmanuel in as Mayor of CHicago ( King of Illinois politics) - as a swap. The funny thing is Chicago is better with Emmanuel than Daley in office, but the voters here aren't smart enough to know that-- that was some major major wheeling and dealing.. At this point in time although he did not get my vote last time, he has it so far this time because simply- show me someone better. I see no one I'd rather have running the show . I am keeping an open mind, but I see no GOP and no Independent candidate clearly superior. And no one in tinseltown-is going to make one bit of difference in my vote..
Originally Posted By Dabob2 There are some celebs who have intelligent things to say politically, but I don't care either more or less about their opinions due to their celeb status. If they're on the ball, they're on the ball, and if they're not, they're not. I don't attach any greater weight to an opinion because it came from a celeb, but neither do I dismiss it offhand just because it came from one.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Given how I used to act, and come on you have to admit I've behaved myself the last year, you think people would learn to ignore someone like Donny.
Originally Posted By barboy ///That makes no sense/// It makes perfect sense. There is no way to know that Donny lied based on his post. One can surmise, theorize or predict all he wants but in the end his statement alone doesn't prove that he lied. What if, say, an axe grinder like Beau made contact with Donny and fed him a bunch of malarkey and Donny ate it up. Maybe Donny found Beau to be a sound source(after all, the consensus around here already believes that Donny doesn't think for himself)?......just a big 'if' but a possible one nonetheless. Other possible scenarios can be constructed as well. I think that I'll just stick with what I basically wrote earlier: Donny lacks credibility and he maybe he lied.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It only makes sense in conjunction with other things that are barely plausible (like Beau contacted Donny and he found him to be a credible source). So in that very limited and convoluted way, technically it is barely plausible - but certainly no better than that. Remember Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is probably correct. Simplest explanation: Donny made up a contact in order to do the classic debate fallacy of "appeal to authority." We know for sure that this "source" does not know SPP personally, so the "pretty good source" thing is toast from the get go.
Originally Posted By Labuda "I've said it before- engaging these extremists in a polite way just encourages them." This. I have gotten my boyfriend to begrudgingly admit that the President isn't so damned bad after all. He's slowly but surely starting to learn the facts. And with the boyfriend out of town for a bit, I've been going out at night... and totally enjoying destroying in debate quite a few gentlemen of Republican ilk. The most amazing to me was the black dude last night. It was kind of funny to see him backpedal and admit I was right each time I corrected his misinformation.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka I bet he still feels the same way he did before, though. People rarely truly change their minds. :-(
Originally Posted By Labuda Yeah, but he's listening to reason instead of the racist prick of a father he has.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <. If they're on the ball, they're on the ball, and if they're not, they're not. I don't attach any greater weight to an opinion because it came from a celeb, but neither do I dismiss it offhand just because it came from one.< agreed- to a point. The money they make and lifestyle they lead isso far from my own, it still has little bearing for me. And yes there are a few bright ones-- but few being the operative word...no one ever accused Hollywood of being over educated
Originally Posted By Dabob2 But they do exist. And for every person I see fawning over some celebrity's half-formed opinion, I think I see two these days (as we get more cynical) offering the itself-half-formed opinion that all celebs should just "shut up" and never say a word unrelated to Hollywood. To me, they're free to say whatever they like; if it's inane (as it often is) we can just dismiss it. If it has some thought behind it, as it sometimes does, great.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I stand by my assertion that the OP of this thread is, was and always will be a troll. Engaging in a conversation with him is useless. The pattern in this thread has been replicated again and again.
