Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Inkan, you keep using terms like "fall for it" as if you've figured out something in these jokes that's somehow escaped the rest of us poor sheep. If you don't find the jokes funny, then I accept that in your view, they are not. Can you please accept that others DO find the humor in them, and that doesn't make us gullible rubes?
Originally Posted By u k fan I never would have predicted that Shrek 2 would be a controversial subject here!!!
Originally Posted By Inkan1969 Kar2oonMan, I apologize to you. I know you don't insist on everyone liking the jokes and you've been very reasonable. I was referring to arstogas, who won't accept that some people don't find "Shrek"'s style of gags funny. UK, since the Shrek franchise built its hype significantly on Disney-bashing I wondered why it hasn't been so controversial.
Originally Posted By u k fan I think it must be like Cats and Dogs, there are Cat People and Dog People. And neither one really understands the other. I think there are either Shrek People or Non Shrek people. And whilst the Box office for Shrek is certainly impressive we must remember the number of people who ultimately will not see it at all at the theaters for whatever reason. Here in the UK a popular TV show will get maybe 17 Million viewers, while the show will be hailed a success it didn't grab the other 40 million people enough to make them tune in. Of course it's down to personal taste not just the quality of the product on offer. Please bear in mind I haven't seen Shrek 2 yet because it isn't released here in the UK until July!!!
Originally Posted By arstogas >>> I was referring to arstogas, who won't accept that some people don't find "Shrek"'s style of gags funny.<<< Are you completely incapable of reading comprehension? To wit, what I wrote a few posts ago: >>>Had the masses of humanity fallen for SPIRITED AWAY's charms like say, a TITANIC, along with the critical press, then I'd have nothing to admit than "you know, it's not my speed, but there must be something there I'm missing." And I would indeed admit that if it were the case. That is what Inkan and Ursus will NOT admit here.<<< The fact, Inkan, is exactly THAT: You will not admit that certain humor is lost on you, for whatever reason. That it is NOT lost on the rest of us is frankly not our fault. Enjoy what you will, but please spare us insult, and please read more carefully in the future. This is one of the reasons I have to stop posting... this kind of diatribe gets nowhere with people who don't seek a CLEAR exchange of communication.
Originally Posted By electra just saw it today: what i liked: -I really love Princess Fiona, she's adorable & a great character... -Puss in Boots, yeah how could you not like him... ^_^ - Prince Charming, teehee! - Ive always liked this series for its send up of fairytales in general as a whole, more than the specific send up of Disney, & fortunately we got more of the former this time. -Some nice background renderings What I didnt like: -where was Dragon? - Donkey was still- not funny - I have to agree with the detractors of this film in that there was too much parody of recent pop culture...the "white bronco" quip I found especially tasteless... thank God Pixar doesnt resort to this type of stuff... -way way way too much use of 70's disco songs, in fact i hated the whole soundtrack...& "Living the Vida Loca?" 9_9 - Pinnochio & Gingerbread man...I hate them. Theyre creepy little bastards with annoying voices & they got even more time in this film...blah... -the humans again were just ugly looking...I which PDI would take some classes on asthetic character design... hmmm, so yeah I definately liked the first film alot better...this one wasnt bad, but it wasnt anything special... >>>>>>"By the time of "Hercules" cultural reference jokes had completely lost their appeal. That movie's Thrace as modern city gag was already old when "The Flintstones" did it. "Hercules" was considerably trashed for making this Flintstones gag. Yet "Shrek 2" does basically the SAME gag, only it's a fairy tale city as a modern city instead of a mythological city, and everyone praises it. This makes me especially outraged as this is an injustice. Similarly, people were mostly critical of the referencing gags in "Home on the Range". Those gags made the 2D unit look dead on its feet."<<<<<<< yup, you got a point there...though I actually think Hercules was more clever than Shrek or Home on the Range...
Originally Posted By electra >>>>-the humans again were just ugly looking...I which PDI would take some classes on asthetic character design...<<< ugh, I dont usually bother correcting typos but this one's bugging me for some reason: "the humans again were just ugly looking...I WISH PDI would take some classes on AESTHETIC character design" damn, how *do* you spell aesthetic?
Originally Posted By Inkan1969 Arstogas, I must say that you can't read my mind. I know myself what I do and don't get. I didn't get "Beavis and Butthead". I realized that B&B was a well written comedy with Mike Judge's good ear for realistic dialogue, but I didn't enjoy watching it because I couldn't stand the two leads. "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" is also a good cartoon, a good action cartoon with a self-parody sense of humor. But I never got too interested in it. Those are shows with good points that I didn't get. But I thought the "Shrek" gags I mentioned were outright bad and I explained what I thought was bad about them.
Originally Posted By narkspud >>where was Dragon?<< Somebody didn't stay for the credits like we told them to . . . . . . . . . . .
Originally Posted By electra ^^^ no... I forgot. Actually I was kinda...in a hurry to get out of there.
Originally Posted By schunoko "He who can laugh at himself will never cease to be amused." Hate to add kindling to the fire, but I don't think Inkan has the ability to laugh at himself. Me, I've been a Disney fan since as long as I can remember and a Japanese Animation fan for the past 5 years or so (Regarding the Spirited Away consensus thing, I have a long rant I can go on on how Disney itself tried to sink that film. That and Princess Mononoke.) But I have this wonderful ability to laugh at my fandom. I think some people take the attacks on Disney and other things in the movie just a bit too seriously. I am not an insane bandwagon person. I was aware of the movie's release because of a poster the bus I take to school went by every day. I don't watch much tv, so the only trailer I saw was at the movie theater when I went to see Van Helsing. I loved the first Shrek and so I went to see the second one the first day after my class let out at 7. I didn't read any reviews, didn't watch any interviews. I went in fresh. And I loved it. Yes, the story was cliche, but every movie story has cliche elements. Non-cliche things won't sell in Hollywood. A good movie will make the cliche enjoyable. Shrek 2 had wonderful flow to it, even better than the first. To me, the "Hero" sequence was one of the most well put-together scenes I've seen in any movie. And how can you not like Puss In Boots. My hero! (Seriously, my Dungeons and Dragons character plays out a lot like Puss. Cute face and all.) Put aside your "This movie is awful and cliche and it attacks Disney so it is evil and you all are insane for liking it you bandwagon people" campaign. Set that aside and go see this movie. You might be surprised. Or you might not. Your apprihension may force you to look for all the bad in this movie, and if it did I would not be shocked in the least. But give it a chance, please. And I love how many people pick out a few gags as the only cultural refrences in that opening scene. Everyone seems to miss the Street Fighter refrence. Fiona does one of Chun-Li's attacks followed by Ryu and Ken's Shoryouken. I found that funnier than the weak Spiderman refrence.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>And how can you not like Puss In Boots.<< By not seeing the movie, for starters... ; )
Originally Posted By Inkan1969 But "Shrek" is not Disney laughing at itself, it's someone else laughing at Disney.
Originally Posted By JeffG >> "But "Shrek" is not Disney laughing at itself, it's someone else laughing at Disney." << So? Are you saying that you will only consider a parody acceptable if it comes from the same studio? For the record, "Shrek 2" (which I presume you still haven't actually seen) has very, very few Disney references in it and none are exceptionally biting. Most of the parody is focused on fairy tales in general with a few other modern culture parodies as well. It doesn't come close to having as many direct references to Disney as the first film did. -Jeff
Originally Posted By narkspud >>For the record, "Shrek 2" (which I presume you still haven't actually seen) has very, very few Disney references in it and none are exceptionally biting.<< But what about Ariel? Poor, poor Ariel! ;-)
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>It doesn't come close to having as many direct references to Disney as the first film did.<< Very true. A lot more pop culture references, a lot more fairy tale spoofs, a lot of Hollywood/LA trendy references, very few Disney jabs.
Originally Posted By Inkan1969 If that's true I would've appreciated some press release saying the franchise is getting away from Disney bashing. They never did anything like that and I think they're still trying to profit from bashing.
Originally Posted By narkspud >>I would've appreciated some press release saying the franchise is getting away from Disney bashing.<< Huh? You serious?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan <a href="http://www.moviecitynews.com/Notepad/2004/040505a_pr.html" target="_blank">http://www.moviecitynews.com/N otepad/2004/040505a_pr.html</a> There's a press release. No mention of Disney at all.
