Originally Posted By Inkan1969 I said a press release saying the franchise is getting away from Disney bashing. That press release doesn't say anything like that.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan They don't write press releases like that unless there had been some huge outcry about the Disney bashing, obviously. And considering that Shrek 2 is now setting new records every day money-wise, I highly doubt such a press release will be coming. You don't have to take my word for it that there are very few jabs at Disney in Shrek 2, but I've got no stake it in one way or the other. Why would I lie?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan There's no outcry because Disney is big enough that it can take a punch. Also, I remember a MAD Magazine parody way back from the time Walt was alive which portrayed him shoveling loads of cash into a vault beneath "Dizzyland." The other reason there's no outcry is because some jokes and jabs don't diminish the beauty, quality or memories of the original source material. In the movie 9 to 5, Lily Tomlin has a dream sequence about killing her boss, and she appears in a very Snow White-inspired segment, complete with cartoon critters. Yet, Snow White endures as the magnificent classic it is, and 9 to 5 is funny, and no one loses an eye or anything.
Originally Posted By narkspud Inkan1969, just a guess, you never saw any of the Fractured Fairy Tales from Rocky and Bullwinkle either, right? In particular, the Sleeping Beauty one which had Walt Disney as the prince, who decided to let her keep sleeping so he could build a theme park around her and make piles of money. Walt was still alive when they did that one too. Disney is popular culture. It's fair game for satire, and always has been.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Heck, you can go back even further than that. Tex Avery LOVED mimicking, then literally blowing apart the lush realistic style of Bambi. In the first Screwy Squirrel cartoon, we see a very cute, doe-eyed little critter. Screwy appears and proceeds to beat him to a pulp. Now THAT'S Disney bashing!
Originally Posted By narkspud And then there's "A Corny Concerto" - Bob Clampett at WB doing a parody of "Fantasia," with Elmer Fudd as Deems Taylor. "Wisten to the wippling whythm of the woodwinds as it goes wound and wound . . . and it comes out here."
Originally Posted By schunoko Inkan, you may be surprised to learn that the people that made Shrek actually screened the first one for some Disney executives to make sure that they weren't offended by it. That's why there's no outcry. The company can handle it. Kar2oonMan, LOL! I remember that cartoon. I love Screwy Squirrel. There were only a few cartoons of him, sadly. He died in the last one too, didn't he?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I love Screwy Squirrel. There were only a few cartoons of him, sadly. He died in the last one too, didn't he?<< If memory serves, there were about six Screwy Squirrel shorts made. Tex Avery hoped that Screwy would be the next Bugs Bunny, bvut for whatever reason, he never caught on. (I think that Avery's manic, over-the-top pace being ahead of its time by a few decades had much to do with it. And he was a bit Woddy Woodpecker-like, too.) Even in the few shorts produced, Screwy had a fairly drastic makeover. He was very akin to Bugs at first, then became much more stylized by the last. And I can't remember if he died in the last one, but it sure sounds like an Avery way to make a swan song! >>"Wisten to the wippling whythm of the woodwinds as it goes wound and wound . . . and it comes out here."<< LOL!!!
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan See also: <a href="http://www.toonopedia.com/screwy.htm" target="_blank">http://www.toonopedia.com/scre wy.htm</a>
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan And on topic with the Shrek/Disney bashing discussion: <a href="http://www.toonopedia.com/fracture.htm" target="_blank">http://www.toonopedia.com/frac ture.htm</a>
Originally Posted By JeffG Did any of you see Bob Clampett's "Beanyland" cartoon? It was a very direct, and very funny, parody of Disneyland, made right around the time the park first opened. It was available on a "Beany & Cecil" DVD collection, although I don't know if that is still in print or not. -Jeff
Originally Posted By Inkan1969 The work by Jay Ward or Clampett or Avery were satires that had a point behind them. "Shrek" is just cheap shots. It's not the same thing.
Originally Posted By narkspud >>The work by Jay Ward or Clampett or Avery were satires that had a point behind them. "Shrek" is just cheap shots.<< It's EXACTLY the same thing--in fact, that FFT Sleeping Beauty episode was a MUCH cheaper shot at Disney than anything in either Shrek movie, and it was aimed directly between the eyes of Uncle Walt himself. Dare I even mention cheap shot central, The Simpsons? "You must avenge my death, Kimba . . . I mean Simba."
Originally Posted By schunoko I'm sorry, Inkan, the Sleeping Beauty one was a very cheap shot. If a five year old (me when I first started watching my dad's Rocky and Bullwinkle tapes) can look at that cartoon and say "Disneyland", then it's a cheap shot. And the Simpsons always makes fun of Disney. Itchy and Scratchyland, anyone? "Remember, we're parked in the Scratchy Lot"
Originally Posted By Inkan1969 I don't know all the details of this apparent bloodfeud that Walt E. Disney and Jay Ward had between them. In all honesty learning about this feud made Jay's cartoons a lot less enjoyable than they once were for me.
Originally Posted By Inkan1969 Narkspud, shunoko, no it's not the same thing at all. A cheap shot is an insult, not a criticism. No substance to it and no fairness. A jerk takes a cheap shot to just to make himself look cool. A cheap shot is what high school bullies do to you because it makes them cool. Now "A Corny Concerto" is a smart sendup of "Fantasia" down in Bob Clampett's own sence of humor. In contrast something like the mermaid gag in Shrek is nothing but hurtful. It makes people laugh AT Disney at us Disney fans in exactly the same way bullies and popular kids laugh at you when they beat you up. That's what I find VERY represensible about everything the "Shrek" franchise stands for.
Originally Posted By Inkan1969 Also, on the net haven't you encountered trolls on the Disney newsgroups that keep flaming the groups. Like that ex_cathedra person in some of the rec.arts.disney.* groups. "Shrek" is exactly the same as THOSE people, not the examples you cited.
Originally Posted By schunoko How were the examples that we cited from the Simpsons not an insult? Especially the one where they commented that a prison was a better place to visit with a family than DCA? Or the Sleeping Beauty fractured fairy tale where it's attacking the prince (Walt) looking to make a quick buck? >> It makes people laugh AT Disney at us Disney fans in exactly the same way bullies and popular kids laugh at you when they beat you up. << Someone's got issues. Trust me, this and Shrek are nothing in the way of insulting someone's fandom. Try being an anime fan. "Us Disney Fans" get no where NEAR as much insulting as the anime fans.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Inkan, I don't want to continue this discussion any further. It'll only lead to hurt feelings between people who love Disney, and I don't want that. I'm sorry I continued it this far.
