Originally Posted By narkspud >>"Us Disney Fans" get no where NEAR as much insulting as the anime fans.<< You should try being both. Then everybody's out to get you. Granted, this is going nowhere. Inkan, I hope you'll at least check out Shrek 2 when it comes to DVD--you can fast forward through the bit with the mermaid and the fairy godmother number--because it's a fun movie with a lot more to offer than shots, cheap or otherwise, at Disney.
Originally Posted By schunoko I am both! The craziness! I'm not safe anywhere I go! LOL! But of course, that's why Kingdom Hearts was made. For freaks like me =D
Originally Posted By Inkan1969 Kar2oonMan I'm sorry again that my comments about the audience embracing "Shrek" insulted you personally. Thank you for being understanding.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan No problem, Inkan. Our differences on Shrek aside, I think Disney animation rocks, just like you do!
Originally Posted By electra yeah...I like both as well...which is why i hate the whole "Disney ripped off Kimba" thing so much...I wish theyd just let that die...theres no proof ok....there just isnt. though to be honest, i didnt know anime fans were getting flak..i figured anime was considered pretty cool & underground...hmmm. i wish anime & Disney fans could be friends....then we could go beat on the cgi-only lovers.... ^_~
Originally Posted By narkspud >> didnt know anime fans were getting flak<< From the Disney fans mostly. That's the thing--a lot of the hardcore fans in each genre get very irate at the mere thought that you like the other as well. Sort of like hardcore Pepsi and Coke drinkers. Speaking of Lion King and Kimba, that question was asked point-blank by host Tom Sito at the start of the Lion King 10th anniversary reunion last Monday. The LK directors swore up and down that they had never previously encountered Kimba when they formulated the storyline. Someone brought in one of Tezuka's original manga about midway through production (after many of the scenes were well into production, including Pride Rock and the father in the clouds thing). Their reaction was "Heh! How about that" and they didn't think anything else of it until they went to Japan to promote the movie. (!) Now, the way Home on the Range ripped off All-Purpose Fairy Robot Cow Shinobu-Kun 1/2, that was just pathetic . . . . . ;-)
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Narkspud, as you may recall, I didn't care for Spirited Away. More to the point, I didn't understand a lot of it (which I don't fault the filmmakers for, that part's my own ignorance of Japanese culture/spirituality). But I am willing to give anime another chance. Which movies would be good ones for a beginner like me that might help me better appreciate anime? And remember, that bird woman with the giant mole on her face freaked me out in Spirited Away, so have mercy in your suggestions! Baby steps... : )
Originally Posted By narkspud >>I didn't care for Spirited Away.<< Perfectly permissible. Actually, there isn't much anime-bashing on this particular board--lots of open-minded folks around these parts. And it's died down quite a bit since Disney and Studio Ghibli hooked up. But go on other boards and (especially) animation sites and you'll get a somewhat different reception. For instance, Amid Amidi of Animation Blast seems to delight in announcing how he once again fell asleep during a screening of the latest Anime feature. Big talk for a guy who works on Ren and Stimpy. Ewwwwwww! >>Which movies would be good ones for a beginner like me that might help me better appreciate anime?<< Lessee . . . how do we get a Disney nut into Anime? Well, despite your dislike of "Spirited Away," I'm still going to point you to more Miyazaki: "Kiki's Delivery Service," "Castle in the Sky" and "My Neighbor Totoro." The Japanese cultural stuff isn't quite so overwhelming in those three. You might want to wait on the new Disney remaster of Totoro--the currently available version is an old pan-and-scan dub Fox did some years ago. If you don't mind reading subtitles, Satoshi Kon's "Tokyo Godfathers" is outstanding, and very Capra-ish. Not for younger kids, though -- it contains a couple violent scenes, and some (non-sexual) nudity. If the sparseness of the animation style bugs you to the point that you can't enjoy these movies, then it's probably a lost cause. Japanese animation style is all about conveying emotion through graphics and subtle expressions, and they don't focus much on realistic, fluid movement. Besides, they just don't have the budgets Disney does, and probably never will. But if you find that you like some of my recommendations, then we can talk Robot Maids. ;-) (/topic hijack)
Originally Posted By schunoko Definitely watch Tokyo Godfathers. One of the best animated movies I've ever seen. Funny to boot ^^ Kiki's Delivery Service is simple, sweet and down to earth. You should have no problem with it culturally. If you want some nice sci-fi blow-upy action, Cowboy Bebop the Movie is fun (You can also catch the TV series on Cartoon Network, highly reccomended) Or you can plop down 25 bucks on one of the days during 4th of July weekend (I suggest Saturday the 3rd or Sunday the 4th) at the Anaheim Convention Center for Anime Expo and watch lots of stuff in the video rooms to get a good taste. I'll be there all weekend! In costume no less =D
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Thanks, narkspud and schunoko! Tokyo Godfathers sounds cool. I grew up watching "Kimba", "Speed Racer" and "Marine Boy" -- are those revered or reviled in the anime community these days?
Originally Posted By schunoko In my circle of friend people, they're revered. One of the companies released Kimba on DVD not too long ago...
Originally Posted By narkspud Revered. They're old and primitive, and the English versions are somewhat bowdlerized (is that the right word?), but they are classics nevertheless. Love this "Shrek 2" topic.
Originally Posted By electra Id recommed Cowboy Bebop too, in fact you dont even need to rent it cuz its on Cartoon network almost every night. that was one of my first forays into anime & its a great beginner series: its very western, not too dependant on japanese culture quirks & isnt too silly or weird. It can be very dark though... Id lve to recomend Trigun too, which Cartoon network is also airing currently, but that ones better for when youve already had exposure to more down to earth stuff. Its a really incredible(well in my opinion anyway) sci-fi western, but its got alot of that typical anime "weirdness" & some of it is just too silly(especially in the beginning), while other times its just plain depressing & even downright dark(towards the middle & end)... as for movies, well Metropolis is like a reimagining of the Astroboy concept... If you like Cowboy Bebop on Cartoon Network, theres the movie version, & also Ghost in the Shell which is a futuristic crime drama that you might like... if you liked the Matrix movies, definately try Animatrix(hehe I dont even like the Matrix movies myself, but I loved Animatrix) just stay away from Akira(shudder)
Originally Posted By narkspud My concern about starting out with some of those others is that we're talking about a Disney fan here, and one who prefers not to get too freaked out. There are scenes in Metropolis and Ghost in the Shell, in particular, that he needs to steer clear of. I didn't mention Grave of the Fireflies for the same reason (although it's a TOTALLY different movie from the others). I guess I can sign off on his checking out Cowboy Bebop, with the caveat that it does get pretty intense at times. Like most anime series, it's a continuing storyline, so popping in in the middle might get confusing. I got your back, 2oony!
Originally Posted By schunoko Bah. Cowboy Bebop is episodic save for Jupiter Jazz and Real Folk Blues. And don't watch Animatrix if you're new, waaaaay to graphic. It was getting to me at some points. And all Ray Charles fans should watch Metropolis *evil snicker*
Originally Posted By JeffG >> "Love this "Shrek 2" topic. " << Yeah, somehow my "off topic meter" is going through the roof with this discussion of traditional Japanese animation in a thread intended to discuss a Dreamworks CGI-animated feature and located in the "Disney Animation" section of the boards... -Jeff
Originally Posted By narkspud Fortunately there's a topic in General Entertainment that should take the pressure off this one.
