Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <And I sorry if your not bright enough to understand that.> When accusing someone of not being smart, it helps to use proper english - I'm sorry if you're not bright enough to understand that.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>When accusing someone of not being smart, it helps to use proper english<< "English" should be capitalized. ; ) What!? I'm just sayin'....
Originally Posted By Mr X "saying", Kar2oonMan. Not "sayin'". Please try and use proper English like our impeccable friend Douglas. Your mistake is unbecoming and makes you sound like a naive/crazy/stupid/evil/baby hating liberal.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Putting it into such stark perspective really does make the whole lying effort seem as ridiculous as it truly is. << We don't have to stop there. Apparently douglas also believes that obama is a baby-killer and a terrorist. And probably a muslim too. And oh by the way, his wife hates america. I'd vote for McCain too - if I believed all of that. Of course, the real story is something entirely different. Douglas doesn't actually believe any of it, and he's smart enough to never actually say these things outright, but he'll use inference and innuendo to implication - usually in the form of a snarky reponse to some previous post. For whatever reason, he wants to see the republican party continue in power, and he has no compunction about how that gets done. If smears and character assassinations are the weapons of choice for the republicans, he doesn't bat an eye. If outright slanderous lies are the order of the day, he sets his shoulder to the task. Over the years I've been reading his posts I don't recall a single instance of douglas ever veering from the party line. Through every indignity of the bush administration over the past five or six years, douglas has been there to espouse whatever balderdash the GOP came up with. >> I love how you throw mud first and then pretend that somehow makes you better. << Better than what?
Originally Posted By FaMulan Someday, in my absolute wildest dreams, these idiotic spin-meisters will realize and understand that all this crap (jumping on a comment and twisting it to mean something else, attack ads, etc., ad nauseum) really tend to *turn off* a portion of the population that wants to make an educated decision as to who they want to vote for in this election. Anyone, and I do mean anyone on these boards espousing and embracing this kind of "well I know you are, but what am I" And "he said 'lipstick on a pig', he must me our gal" are as full or even more full of garbage for buying into it hook, line and sinker. If you want to know what a senator voted for as far as sex ed, read the whole flipping bill he voted for, not just the first paragraph. Don't twist a phrase when your candidate has used that same phrase in the same context against a different opponent then call foul and twist it into something it isn't, remembering that said prior victim didn't cry foul. Get over your nonsense and garbage, get on with the issues and let's figure out who is actually the better person for the job.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Apparently douglas also believes that obama is a baby-killer and a terrorist. And probably a muslim too. And oh by the way, his wife hates america.> There's no evidence that I believe any of that, but when has that stopped you? <I don't recall a single instance of douglas ever veering from the party line.> Because, of course, all Republicans march in lockstep, like little facists. Truth is, we don't. I don't agree with all Republicans or conservatives, and I don't always agree with most Republicans or conservatives. But facts don't fit gadzuux's narratives, so just ignore them. If I don't agree with his opinion, then it must be that I'm stupid or lying. It can't be that I just don't think the evidence supports him. If there is anybody out there that's impartial, please go back and read this thread, and see who started thowing around the derogatives first.
Originally Posted By gadzuux For me - that kind of political distortion should pretty much disqualify you. The primary job requirement is to be a person with integrity. Decency is a nice touch too. It's been so long since we've seen it, it's almost like we've forgotten how important it is. I think Obama has been examplary in showing integrity, character, decency, dignity and intelligence throughout the entire campaign. There has NOT been a track record of insults or low-blows or half-truths during looong obama campaign. They have consistently taken the high-road approach, and consistently tried to keep the debate on the issues and not get side-tracked. This is admirable behavior. And what's been thrown at him? Nonsense items like lapel pins and tire gauges - fine examples of cheap and stupid politics. Next up is the mock outrage - last time it was the 'dollar bill' reference. Now it's the pig comment. These things defy belief and only make people question how 'disingenous' (thanks to the OP!) they can be? They continue to misrepresent Palin's position on the damn bridge. Even though they've been publicly called on it and the claim has been refuted, they still run the ads and repeat it in the stump speech every day. What is up with that?! Also the guilt by association trick - try and tie obama to bill ayers, rev. wright, rezko, farrakhan - anybody he'd ever had any tangential association with. If they had anything on Obama himself, it would have come up a long time ago. There isn't, so they go gunning for him using disreputable tactics. And also the outright salacious lies - stuff like 'baby killer' and 'secretly muslim' and this latest 'sex education for kindergartners'. What kind of crust does it take to make these allegations with a straight face? How can making such outrageous claims be justified? And how can you vote for someone who would stoop to such tactics? I'll never know.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> ... please go back and read this thread, and see who started thowing around the derogatives first. << Speaking only for myself, I went back and re-read my posts. The closest I could come to 'derogative' was "snarky" - and even that was referencing your posts - not you. And that's just right upstairs at post #44. I'm not name-calling. You may not care for my viewpoint, but it's calling you names - much.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh And here's a variation - Sen Obama, pure as driven snow; Sen McCain, mean old liar. Sorry, gadzuux. I just don't see it like you. And that doesn't make me wrong, or a liar.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***tend to *turn off* a portion of the population that wants to make an educated decision as to who they want to vote for in this election*** Exactly. They don't want your vote. They don't want you to show up and vote at all. Moderates are unpredictable and dangerous for them. When it goes blatantly partisan, the GOP has a slight advantage since their base is slightly more rabid and fanatical.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh If only all of us were so righteous and smart clear-thinking and enlightened and fair as you, we'd all vote for the Democrats, right? Too bad liberals don't have a monopoly on fairness, or truth, or good ideas.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> And here's a variation - Sen Obama, pure as driven snow; Sen McCain, mean old liar. << Nice summation. For once I agree with you.
Originally Posted By Hannibal 8 I leave to have dinner and now dyhates is squabbling with everyone. I'll address one point quickly an then get to the meat of the matter... You said I was picking and choosing parts of the article you provided. Welcome to the real world. Now let's look at the line you said I left out (and let's be realistic, if anyone wants to read the whole thing they can. And if not, then it's just our little secret). "The measure... must include medically accurate information appropriate to the age of the students". I'm not a lawyer or a truck driver, but I could drive and 18 wheeler through those loopholes. Who decides what's appropriate and what's not? Me, you, the parents of the children going to school? Nope on all three counts. Still feeling comfortable with Obama's vote? Let's take it one step further... Did you read the bill? Did I read the bill? Did Obama read the bill? Nope on all three counts again. Most politicians (even the omni powerful, omni popular, omni mover...trying to keep it Disney... ones like Obama) don't read half of what they vote on. That's what they have aides for, and that's probably who should be running the country. So what we have here is an ad with one version of the "truth" and an article with another version of the truth, and if we're lucky the truth is somewhere in the middle. And in most cases it's nowhere to be found. So, don't get too upset about one little ad... the point you keep missing is they are all the same. Obama was slamming Palin right out of the gate. And with what? Not enough experience. The same thing that Bill and Hill were using against him. He should just be talking about his experience, but that doesn't translate into votes or a win. And so they all play the same game.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Too bad liberals don't have a monopoly on fairness, or truth, or good ideas.*** These days? Yeah. Pretty much they do. What's McCain's "good idea" anyway? Oh wait. He hasn't got one. So he's co-opted the Obama pillars of "change" and "reform" (except Obama actually spells out exactly what kind of changes he's going to make...McCain talks in generalities and pretty much plans to continue the Bush administration into a 3rd term). Brilliant. It really is. But it's not his idea (of course), he's got nothing but more of the same. And the same, in this case, is nothing but failed policies. As they say, if you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig. (oops...did I say something wrong there?) On truth, nothing to be said. McCain and company are rank liars, proven on these very forums in such a way that even Douglas can't refute it. Go ahead and try, Douglas. It's all right there in black and white in the "Republicans Disgust me" topic. (Not my quote, by the way, it's from the link though I can't say as I disagree with the sentiment) Fairness? What's fair about their campaign so far, the co-opting, the lies, or the incessant personal attacks? Are they being fair by keeping that irresponsible VP choice away from the public eye so we're unable to learn anything more about this unknown extremist? Yeah...the right wingers are pretty much morally bankrupt at this point. Sucks to be them (and, by association as unfortunately fellow Americans, us).
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Obama was slamming Palin right out of the gate. And with what? Not enough experience. The same thing that Bill and Hill were using against him.*** Agreed. He should be slamming her on her radical extremism. That's the really scary part. Thanks McCain, you irresponsible jerk. On that note, do we really want an occupant of the oval office who proudly refers to themselves as a "barracuda" and a "pit bull"? I sure don't.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Who decides what's appropriate and what's not?" This is a point of concern, I'll cede you that one. But I guess that is why they provide the syllabus to parents and provide a "no questions asked" out option. "Did you read the bill?" most of it and I skimmed the rest. "Did I read the bill?" You said, "nope'. so here is the link to Ill. HB 99; <a href="http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=3&GA=93&DocTypeId=SB&DocNum=99&GAID=3&LegID=734&SpecSess=&Session=" target="_blank">http://www.ilga.gov/legislatio...Session=</a> "Obama was slamming Palin right out of the gate. And with what? Not enough experience. The same thing that Bill and Hill were using against him." Right. And can do that because he has more experience. Not heeps more. But more, none the less. Just like I think it was fair game for Sen. Clinton to use his comparitive lack of experience against him. That's politics. Just like it is fair for McCain to use it against him. I mean, experience is one of the things that we base our judgement on when we walk in to the voting booth. Experience and Character. But sometimes experience cuts both ways. We have recently seen the experience of Sen. McCain and the GOP driving this big bus for the past 8 years, and at this point I'm lookin' for someone to turn her around.
Originally Posted By Hannibal 8 Mr X I've always considered you a bit of a pit bull and I think your presence on these boards can be... interesting. Between you, me, and the fence posters I am a moderate conservative. I've been to rallies for both sides, and the people that show up scare me. I went to a GOP thing for Bob Dole (OK this was years ago), Any way, one of the attendees in the crowd asked me if I believed in the right to bear arms, to which I replied, "Not really, and besides, they just made us walk through metal detectors to come into this place." Both sides are wacky. That's all I'm saying. Both men running are smart and articulate and may have some ideas about how to make this a better place to live (there's always room for improvement). They will both say things and do things and even approve ads, that they are not 100% behind. They only have 2 1/2 months to change your vote. Although I'm starting to think you're a closet McCain supporter as your posts are taking a softer turn.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Sen. Clinton to use his comparitive lack" Should read "Sen. Clinton to use her comparitive lack..."
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <McCain and company are rank liars, proven on these very forums in such a way that even Douglas can't refute it.> If "proof" is an opinion repeated over and over, then yes, I can't refute it.
