Originally Posted By DAR <<But that still doesn't answer my point - why drill if it won't actually help us? Tell me exactly how drilling in the Gulf and in ANWAR will help Americans??>> Have you ever thought that it could create extra jobs for people. That's certainly not a bad thing.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Have you ever thought that it could create extra jobs for people. That's certainly not a bad thing.<< Oil drilling jobs. Oh, yay. Sign me up. Does it come with health insurance?
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Oil drilling jobs. Oh, yay. Sign me up. > Oy. Is that job beneath you, mawnck?
Originally Posted By chickendumpling And to think that this morning I was this >< close to starting a thread entitled, "DRILL BABY, DRILL!" It would be so great if all of these issues had their own threads....
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Oy. Is that job beneath you, mawnck?<< Sorry, won't work with me anymore. I'm an angry liberal, and I'm not going to take it anymore. Yes, at my education level it is. For a Child Left Behind, perhaps it isn't. And let's explore this "creating jobs" thing. How many? Where? At what pay scale? Don't just float a theory, give us details. How wonderful will it be for our economy if all these lovely oil worker jobs suddenly materialize on the new wells they haven't dug (as opposed to the old ones they also haven't dug)? How is this superior to creating jobs in science, art, education, healthcare, and alternative energy? And who does it benefit? The oil workers, or the executive board of Exxon/Mobil? Sheesh.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Oil drilling jobs. >> Jobs for the new 3rd world economy in America. You do know why we largely get our oil from 3rd world countries? Cheap manual labor. It's a lot more expensive to get that labor off the east coast of the U.S. So, you still pay a lot for oil to make up the difference in wages.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I'm tired of reading that those who like conservative policies are irrational, stupid, etc.*** Actually, I'm all for conservative policies, particularly on the fiscal side. ***We don't need to say "America is stupid" when they choose conservative policies.*** Agreed. America is stupid for believing what the NeoCon's are dishing up to the willing GOP "base" is actually conservative.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***>>I say with Health Care make it like the school system. Make it public AND private and let people decide where they want to go.<< I have some terrible news for you, DAR. That's EXACTLY Obama's position. <a href="http://www.barackobama.com/iss...lthcare/" target="_blank">http://www.barackobama.com/iss...lthcare/</a> The only bad news is that businesses will - gasp - be forced to provide a healthcare benefit for their employees. Instead of, y'know, letting them fend for themselves, which is the Republican plan.*** DAR? We need an answer, DAR.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>McCain is probably going to win anyway.<< I've been listening to a lot lately. The Left, the middle, Right ...... It's going to come down to 4 specific "swing" states. With everything I've been listening to .... Obama has the edge. Some democrats I know I worried. I'm not.
Originally Posted By oc_dean An edit feature would be nice! >>Some democrats I know I worried.<< Some Democrats I know are worried.
Originally Posted By mawnck If you'd like to see a website for people who obsess about this kind of thing way too much, go here: <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/" target="_blank">http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/</a> Their horrendously convoluted polling combiner has Barack still winning the electoral vote, but things have been steadily trending toward McCain/Dingaling lately. They are unabashedly Obama fans in their writeups, but their algorithms are supposedly engineered to remove all bias, and their results in the last election were among the most accurate in the biz. BTW, they have Colorado, Michigan, Virginia and Ohio as the states most in play.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Michigan<< Duck and cover Inspector57 .... it's about to turn into a battle ground.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Colorado<< We need to enlist Cartman, Kyle, Kenny, Stan, Butters, and Towely to get the vote out!
Originally Posted By DAR <<DAR? We need an answer, DAR.>> Well then that's great. My work already provides health care for us so I'm not really concerned what other businesses do.
Originally Posted By Mr X Better hope your work forever remains the same then. Way to think forward, DAR.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << My work already provides health care for us so I'm not really concerned what other businesses do. >> Are you really that selfish? Do have concern for anything that impacts people in our society other than yourself?
