Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan You know, I thought that 2000 was going to be the high water mark for how divided we are as a nation. Then I thought 2004 was going to be the high water mark for negative campaigning. Now I think 2008 might just top both of them on both fronts. One side or the other is going to eventually win this thing, but there's a great cost, too. Barring some unforseen surprise, neither Obama nor McCain will sweep in with a clear mandate.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <If LP is so exhausting, then maybe you should go hang out on a conservative board. Sheesh.> You wanna get rid of me? Why? So you can just pat your liberal buddies on the back all day long? I've been here for years and years, mele, and I'm not about to leave. If I wan't to mention that it's sometimes exhausting putting up with the heavy liberal voice on here, I will.
Originally Posted By mawnck If McCain wins, what sort of "spirit of cooperation" is he going to be able to foster after this rubbish?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Just wait til 2012<< I'm thinking the candidates will meet on the set of Wipeout. While running through the obstacles, they'll talk trash about each other's mothers. Paula, Randy and Simon will moderate debates, and voting will be done by texting one of two numbers on screen.
Originally Posted By DAR <<If McCain wins, what sort of "spirit of cooperation" is he going to be able to foster after this rubbish?>> And if Obama wins we'll be singing choruses of: KumObama KumbaObamaya.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>And if Obama wins we'll be singing choruses of: KumObama KumbaObamaya.<< If Obama wins, the Dems are in CONTROL, baybeeeee! Which will be sort of like getting the job of cleaning up New Orleans after Katrina. Better them than Halliburton.
Originally Posted By mele <<You wanna get rid of me? Why? So you can just pat your liberal buddies on the back all day long?>> Yes. That is exactly what I want. Good grief.
Originally Posted By Ursus J Bear non-partisan factcheck.org???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA I can only guess that the ads work because they're true. And that is why everyone is howling.
Originally Posted By Ursus J Bear Obama is not doing the townhall meetings because he, and his handlers, and the media knows, McCain will chew him up. So The media continues to coddle him, though definitely the "shine" is off him.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster It's common for front-runners to reduce face-to-face time with trailing candidates. Hillary did it in the primaries when she was up. Debates are minefields for candidates and if you have the lead you don't need extra ones. McCain wants them because he's down and wants a chance to gain ground quickly. If he gets the lead, we'll hear Obama calling for extra debates. It's just the way the system works.
Originally Posted By Mr X Did McCain actually say on the view that Roe V Wade was a "bad piece of legislation", or something to that effect? Women, are you paying attention here? Personally, I don't care if abortion becomes illegal. I really don't. It doesn't matter to me that much one way or another, since I'm pretty much anti-abortion anyway (though I do believe it's something that should not be illegal). But it's not MY body. Seriously...any woman who votes this ticket better be prepared for the overturn. It's almost a certainty that one, or two justices will be replaced in the next 4 years (perhaps more). When that balance tips...bye bye Roe V Wade. Seriously.
Originally Posted By mawnck It sounds like the implied position here is "Oh don't worry, ladies, if it gets overturned, it won't be so bad. The STATES will decide, and it'll be just like it was before." Except in the deep South, of course, where clothes hangar sales will soar. 9_9
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder What's not being completely addressed if in fact Roe v. Wade did get overturned is what happens after that. All anyone needs to do is look back in history to see what happened after the country instituted Prohibition. That obviously didn't work either. People back then had very similar moralistic objections to alcohol and how it was ruining society. Liquor went underground, an entire criminal network grew that still exists today in various forms, and ultimately there was nothing positive that came out of it. Same thing here. Take away a right granted to citizens that has been around for generations, and all that will happen is it will go underground and have countless negative consequences, some as of yet likely unforeseen. A woman's right to choose has simply been around now too long to go back. Period. It's backwards, unproductive thinking to believe anything else, no matter what one believes on the subject. There's no way anyone could show that society would benefit, no matter kind of arguments about killing life would be proffered. Re-visiting Roe to put limits on the time for aborting, such as three months, or some such other thing is entirely different, but to ban it altogether is the height of social irresponsibility.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Just to add- while the far right would have us believe that their positions preserves life, in actuality it would likely increase deaths. Underground abortions can only heighten the probability that more mothers would die in botched abortions that already assure the death of the fetus.
Originally Posted By mele I don't think the mother is something that the far right worries about all that much in this situation.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <non-partisan factcheck.org???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA> Do you know much about factcheck.org? They're quite even-handed. Sure, this year they've taken McCain's camp more to task, but that's because Obama's camp hasn't yet put out such demonstrably untrue ads. In 2004, both sides ran ads with questionable claims, and factcheck criticized Kerry's every bit as much as they did Bush's. <I can only guess that the ads work because they're true.> They're not true. One claims that Obama wanted to teach sex ed to 5-year olds "before teaching them to read." That's just flat out false, and factcheck is far from the only outfit to point this out.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> non-partisan factcheck.org???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA << Thanks, ursus. You've demonstrated beautifully the ignorant and corrupt GOP mindset - facts be damned, who cares about blatant lies, dishonest gutter politics are just fine, let's win at any and all costs. If you knowingly vote for someone who's demonstrated a lack of integrity, YOUR OWN integrity is questionable.
