Originally Posted By ecdc >>I can't believe you guys are taking the "hot" comments seriously.<< Yes, how appropriate. A man telling the ladies to just chill out. It's all in good clean fun, after all. You babes just need to lighten up. It's the double-whammy. Men say something sexist and inappropriate, then when called on it, they further rail on women for being oh so serious. Good god.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I appreciate the reminder of why I left LP to begin with.<< Sorry DVC_dad, she was spot on with this. Some people don't find jokes like that funny, and you can't turn it around on them and making it their problem. If you had a handicapped child and had to listen to jokes about "retards" and "mongols" you probably wouldn't be laughing it up either.
Originally Posted By Ursula <I called the lady "hot" and to you that's like physcailly assaulting someone? Wow.> No. I said your excuse for saying it sounded like what the men I've worked with say. Please, disagree with me all you want. I'm the one who left WE because of other posters. I'm here to discuss and to learn, so I love hearing the other side.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Men say something sexist and inappropriate, then when called on it, they further rail on women for being oh so serious. Good god.<< Some things never "change."
Originally Posted By DAR <<Men say something sexist and inappropriate, then when called on it, they further rail on women for being oh so serious. Good god.>> I have no problem with any woman making a sexist and inappopriate comment towards me or any other man.
Originally Posted By ecdc Wow. The last few days around WEs have been pretty sad. I get that Republicans are excited that they *finally* have something to be happy about, especially given the last 8 years. McCain's choice was a bold and unexpected one. I don't blame people for being excited. And I suppose for once it's nice not to have to hear about Obama the Chosen One for the bazillionth time. But so much for intelligent debate that one Republican was lamenting yesterday. Instead we get "she's hot and smart! It's on!" Gee, thanks for elevating the level of discourse. We further get comments essentially in the vein of "Obama sucks!" We get Darkbeer Post-O-Matic unable to actually express a personal thought posting offensive revisionist history about how the GOP was really the party of civil rights in the 50s and 60s (bleh!). Nothing about the issues, nothing about leadership. Just a bunch of jumping up and down like a monkey throwing its own feces in unrequited giddiness that those lousy Dems are goin' down! So much for being an American and showing respect for your fellow citizens.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I have no problem with any woman making a sexist and inappopriate comment towards me or any other man.<< That's because such comments don't have any practical impact on you other than to turn you on. But women deal with this kind of BS on a *daily* basis. I have a good friend at work who's sexually harassed by a co-worker at least once a week. I asked her why she doesn't go to HR or her boss. Her response was that it's hard enough being a woman in a management position. She doesn't need to go complain to a bunch of men about how she's being treated, only to get an eye-rolling response. She told me in no uncertain terms that I'm not to say anything either. She genuinely believes that it's the lesser of two evils to remain silent. Women shouldn't have to make that kind of choice, but thousands are forced to every day. I've watched my wife have to work twice as hard to break into the photography industry. She's quickly dismissed by the men and more than a few have made comments about her looks, completely ignoring her talent. These are serious issues, they aren't funny and they aren't concerns brought up by shrill "femi-nazis" who are hypersensitive. So even as a man, I can absolutely understand the frustration that the *first* comment anyone can make about Palin is that she's hot.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Thanks guys. I'm glad to feel so welcomed back. Okay bottom line... ecdc, Tooney, Ursula et al... I was wrong. Thank you for pointing it out. Perhaps it's been long overdue as I have made similar jokes like this in other threads often. I suppose that I am SO sexist and chauvinist that I never realized I was offensive. I will go and rethink how I post, what I say and how I say it. It never occurred to me that calling Palin "hot" was that big of a deal. What if I were gay and called Obama "hot?" A sincerely apology from me to you guys for being chauvinist and stupid. I'm not above apologizing. Thanks for reigning me in. I have to admit, it took ecdc's comments for me to slow down long enough to consider things. ecdc, I respect your posts, always. I can't call a woman "hot" then. Ok. I can handle that.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<It has to be the right woman, though.>>> Okay who would you have had him choose and why? Do you really know much about this lady?
Originally Posted By Ursula Well, you can call a woman hot. Provided she's on a pole with single dollars hanging out of her g-string.
Originally Posted By DAR Bull say what you want to. We're too damn uptight in this country because we don't want offend anyone. We need to go back to being non-pc it will alleviate a lot and maybe force us to relax.
Originally Posted By Ursula <Okay who would you have had him choose and why? Do you really know much about this lady?> I'm learning, that's for sure. So far, she's been governor of a not-very populous state, she was mayor of a small town, she has five kids, she's anti-abortion person, she's a member of the NRA, she's against taxation (well, higher taxation) and she has a handicapped child that was born in the Spring. I'm trying to find out her stance on the war issues.
Originally Posted By dshyates As far as DAD cad declaring he thinks she's "hot", more power to him. And I think you guys are over reacting. There is a big difference in someone on a discussion board saying he thinks someone he saw on TV is hot. And a co worker or employer saying it to someone at work or other professional setting. So, DVC dad, I was just watching one of the 24s and they were showing clips and she is a pretty lady. Not the sweetest voice, but she has that "wild Librarian of the old cliche" look. I can't believe that with all the time and money women put into make-up, hair, and clothes that they want guys to stop noticing. As was so susinctly put in "European Vacation": "Be a Pig!, Be a Pig!, Be a Pig!....."
Originally Posted By DAR <<I'm trying to find out her stance on the war issues.>> Both her and McCain have sons enlisted in the Armed Forces so unlike President Bush they do know what it's like to have a child over there. Which is not to disparage Bush's daughters both seem to have grown into very strong young women that there parents can be proud of.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I can't call a woman "hot" then. Ok. I can handle that.<< You can do whatever you want. But just don't go running around talking about how hot you think she is and confuse that with some example of why she is the most qualified woman he could have chosen. Look, I think it's great he chose a woman. I'm happy that now, no matter who wins, the white house will look that much different. There are PLENTY of people who will be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century whichever side wins. But since I'm willing to bet a paycheck that every one of us had our search engines running at full tilt asking "Sarah Palin who?" this morning, because we hadn't heard of her. So the thrill that SHE is THE ONE or that OBAMA IS DOOMED is a bit premature.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Man, why do I always feel like Stonewall Jackson when I get into WE? (He died from friendly gunfire.) *sigh* _ _ @.@ \_/
