Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << One thing that really bugs me about Obama... the "surge" has clearly been a success. He should admit that he was wrong in this instance and go on. >> Success in terms of what? Body count? We're still hemorraging about $250M a day in Iraq with no plan on how to pay the bill in the long term. Not much success there. The "surge" continues to deteriorate readiness throughout the Armed Forces, accelerating troop rotations onto successive deployments and stealing money from future readiness accounts to pay for current operations. And we have yet to see any impact of a post-surge Iraq -- an Iraq where we have withdrawn troops. I'll call the surge a "success" when the surge is over and our troops are back home.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I guess after many years of reading WE I don't know you cause I seriously wondered where you were this morning. You haven't been around and I thought for sure...>> What did you find objectionable about Palin, other than the fact that she is a Republican (which caused me a fair amount of concern also). I am truly interested in your thoughts. You know what I liked? She was a tough woman who made a great presentation after being totally trashed in the media. How many women could have done that?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Here's the fundamental difference with the two tickets. Obama has been criticized for his lack of experience. The VP is supposed to be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office. Obama picks Biden, unquestionably balancing out the inexperience angle. McCain has loads of experience. He also has loads of real and potential health issues. Pus he's 72. The VP on a Republican ticket is half a heartbeat away from the top spot. On a ticket that didn't need balancing, McCain picks someone who is still learning how to govern one of the smallest states in terms of population we have. Her foreign policy experience is non-existent. Any ideas she has about economic policy are known only to her. She would have been laughed out of Iowa in the primaries had she run for president. In a campaign where the VP choice has meant more than any other, McCain has blown it. There's more to the job than reading a speech someone else wrote without stuttering and looking pretty while doing it. Some decisions just should not be made in the shallow end of the pool.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>You know what I liked?<< I think you made it abundantly clear what you liked.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Oh good lord. The admin'ed comments were so mild that it is absolutely ridiculous. I truly cannot think of what rule they violated unless supporting Republicans is now against the rules. I made a humorous reference to "non-bulging-pants". This is World Events for God's sake. When did something like that become against the rules? Whatever. Bye. Oh yes... I'll be sure not to let the door hit me in the ass on my way out.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 You know, I'm SO curious to find out what true moderates think about this whole Palin thing. I've been trying to find out info, but a lot of the blogs and posts I read are from dyed-in-the-wool Republicans who are excited. I can understand that. For the first time in this campaing they have a "celebrity" to get behind. Nevermind that some of the arguments they've been using against the opposition can now be turned around on them, they are turning a blind eye. What I really want to know (and pretty badly) is how Sarah Palin reads to the moderates and undecideds in the country. I've got to find some non-partisan hangouts and see what they're saying.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Someone, SHOW me this 90%. No one has. No one will. It isn't true.> (Referring to McCain voting with Bush over 90% of the time). Well, sorry guys. Obama has a new ad out saying this very same thing. Only it's not Obama saying it. It's McCain himself - actually bragging about it during the primary season when he was pandering to the far right. (He's still doing that, but hoping we'll overlook his voting record.) "I voted with the president over 90 percent of the time, higher than a lot of my even Republican colleagues." <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xukbiS8q9s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...kbiS8q9s</a> He's been in vocal support of most of Bush's major policies, and supporting continuing them. He backs up his support with his votes. And THEN asks us to believe that he represents the "real" change. How in the world can you change the country's direction when you continue the policies that got us into this mess?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <You know, I'm SO curious to find out what true moderates think about this whole Palin thing.> Well, it's a small sample, but on the thread specifically about Palin's speech, SPP and inlandemporer said they weren't impressed, and I think they said the pick of Palin makes them less likely to vote for McCain (they may not have said that directly). In fact, I think SPP said he'll have to vote for the Democrat for the first time now.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 <<<She was a tough woman who made a great presentation after being totally trashed in the media. How many women could have done that?>>> Which is not something we'd give a man credit for. I hate that her being a woman is now turning into a gimmick. Some say Hillary was a tough woman who made a great presentation while being trashed but somehow that didn't translate the same. I want to see a woman voted in based on her qualifications no different than a man. Each time a comment about her being HOT, her rack, etc is made it lessens that and feeds the gimmick. What would have been a trainwreck for the Demos and "family values" is now all getting glossed over. We are suppose to embrace it and ignore the Republicans views on underage pregnant women and all that they've done in the past to support them. It's sickening. I'm not some idiot who's just going to jump on the bandwagon cause she's female and tough talking. My objections: 1. She's pro-life and strongly opinioned about it even including rape as a no-no. 2. She has too many run-ins and messy altercations in her past with other government agencies and people. 3. She's flipped flopped on important issues - the bridge as an example to suit her needs. 4. Experience, I'm not all that thrilled about the maverick. I think you have to be in the game to play the game. Being totally outside of Washington isn't that great of an attribute to me. 5. I'm concerned that she's wagging the same tongue on terrorists and Iraq as the good ole boys. 6. We have no heard from her or McCain anything about the economy. Nothing! There's some of my concerns.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Ummm... I NEVER mentioned 'rack' in reference to Palin. That was mentioned from the "other side". I also never mentioned any specific physical attributes of Palin. I said she was 'Hot'. Nothing more; nothing less. Any thoughts going past that come from YOUR mind, not mine. But what the hell? Thanks for playing.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 I didn't say you said rack RoadTrip. You're not the first here on LP or other places to use these terms.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "I said she was 'Hot'. Nothing more; nothing less." Well, there was the bulge/no bulge thing, but who's counting?
Originally Posted By mawnck >>She was a tough woman who made a great presentation after being totally trashed in the media. How many women could have done that?<< Miley Cyrus?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<My objections:>> The only item I am really seriously concerned about is #1. I DO NOT support abortions. On the other hand, I believe that under existing law they are 100% legal. What ANY politician says about "right to life" really makes me no difference. They change their position on that pretty much as frequently as they change their underwear. The other items, I really am not concerned about. Sure, there are some I don’t' agree with. But they are minor items. I disagree with minor items on BOTH sides of the aisle.
