Originally Posted By debtee <Very interesting. Were the words he used as inflamatory there as here? > No Ursula. They didn't play the tapes on our news, so I'm guessing the comments were based on speculation, before the tapes had been heard.
Originally Posted By debtee The evening news tonight, played a section of the tapes. I would say the Sydney newspapers had not listened to the tapes, when they printed their stories yesterday ( hence the comments I wrote earlier ) , as they were talking about Racist comments Mel made, NOT domestic violence. The time difference played a role here, I'm sure. I would say the newspapers will be printing a very different story in the morning!
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I think this story plays differently here because it harkens back to other celebrity cases, OJ Simpson in particular. Listening to the recordings reveals Gibson to be a violent bully. I don't blame his girlfriend for recording his rants and threats and sending them out to the media (or whoever sent them out)-- perhaps if Nicole Brown Simpson's had been more widely publicized she and Ronald Goldman would be alive today. Celebrity or not, you can't go around treating people this way. I wish more women went public about their abusers when it happens, rather than trying to stand by their man. Anyone who hits you does not, can not, truly love you.
Originally Posted By Labuda "I wish more women went public about their abusers when it happens, rather than trying to stand by their man. Anyone who hits you does not, can not, truly love you." Amen to that. It breaks my heart to hear of women who stay with their abusers.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb Mele, you reason for not keeping your Mel movies is exactly why I would consider putting mine in the "goes to charity" pile of things about to leave my house. Protesting an individuals bad behavior is best done by not paying for their entertainment product in the first place. That's why I have made it a point to never see any Polanski movie from the time I was old enough to hear about the case and make that kind of consumer decision. Because I know Hollywood is filled with spoiled entitled people I don't do this with every transgression. Only the most hateful and unrepentantly criminal, child molesters most especially (I absolutely will not see a Victor Salva movie!).
Originally Posted By Ursula Mel's agent died last week. The biggest agency in Hollywood dropped him the day before his agent died. No one wants him. Maybe some smaller agency will pick him up just to get a name on their roster, but I can't see his movies doing anything. Unless. Unless he does some life-changing, world-altering event. Like becoming a monk and working with lepers. (And the death had nothing to do with Gibson, it was just karma playing tricks, in my opinion. His agent would have been the lone person to want to hold onto him.)
Originally Posted By Anatole69 I guess Mel Gibson's mouth is the real lethal weapoon, at least to his career. lol. - Anatole
Originally Posted By 999HAUNTS <--refuses to toss out any Lethal Weapon movie of any kind. I love them. This does not in any way, shape or form mean that I condone anything that man has done or said in his personal life. I just think that throwing them out will accomplish nothing. The money has already gone into his pocket for my purchase. And I can separate a character in a movie from it actually being Mel Gibson. I don't want to sound heartless and I'm not, and Ursula knows where I stand on domestic abuse, physical or otherwise, but I'll still be enjoying my Lethal Weapon collection. Mel Gibson is a dead man to me. But long live Martin Riggs.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb LOL! And my love for the characters and movies are why I haven't tossed my copies yet. Just contemplating at this point. But unless I her of some major rehab, counseling and life changes, a'la Robert Downey Jr (who so far as I know abused no one but himself) I am done spending money on any Mel Gibson films. <---- doubts we'll see any changes that aren't aimed at the publicity machine.
Originally Posted By DAR If I threw out or boycotted movies, music, tv shows, books because I didn't like what someone involved in this projects said or did I would pretty much not have seen, heard or read anything. And in the case of Woody Allen I hated his films before the Soon Yi incident.
Originally Posted By DAR A couple "lighter" items about this: Do you realize that with Gibson this year and Christian Bale last year. Two of the voices from Pochahontas had tapes of them flipping out on people. And the point in the Gibson tape when yells IT'S ABOUT MY DAUGHTER!!!! How many people where hoping he had a son so he could yell GIVE ME BACK MY SON!!!!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I read the transcript before I actually heard the things - the transcript was bad enough, but then I listened... holy moly! "Anger issues" doesn't begin to cover it. The man sounds completely unhinged. I'm going to guess alcoholic as well - educated guess based not only on the DUI's, which are bad enough, but on his rapidly aging face and the gin blossoms I've seen in recent shots; I used to work for an alcoholic boss and there were a couple of others too at this old job (don't get me started), and it's a pretty obvious marker. Then let's see... the anti-semitic rant from a couple of years ago, the homophobic crap before that... and now he find out he hits women and thinks they "deserve" it. He's not just toast. He's toast you left in the toaster when you went away on vacation and locked the house with it still in the toaster, and it has a little crimp in the top so it can't eject and it's just sitting there getting more and more charred and eventually burning the house down.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>He's not just toast. He's toast you left in the toaster when you went away on vacation and locked the house with it still in the toaster, and it has a little crimp in the top so it can't eject and it's just sitting there getting more and more charred and eventually burning the house down.<< LOL!
Originally Posted By DAR I certainly think he's done too, though never underestimate Hollywood, people still want to work with Woody Allen and Roman Polanski. Though in Polanski's case, it's not Hollywood.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance I listened to that second tape yesterday, and it was scary to listen to. That girl is probably trapped, and I just keep thinking about how it would feel to have some guy screaming those things at me. If I were her, I'd be terrified.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<If I threw out or boycotted movies, music, tv shows, books because I didn't like what someone involved in this projects said or did I would pretty much not have seen, heard or read anything.>> Ditto. I'm not pleased with what Woody did to Mia, but I love his films and refuse to toss my collection. Gibson is a jerk and probably always has been, but I enjoy his films and will continue to watch them on cable. (Pocahontas is the only one I own.) If I let the political beliefs of various actors influence my film-going decisions at the box office, I never would have seen most of Pixar's films, let alone films done by Walt. If the actor is a great performer but someone I vehemently disagree with regarding politics, I'll still watch their performances. Gibson is but one of those performers who fall into this category.
Originally Posted By DAR <<If I let the political beliefs of various actors influence my film-going decisions at the box office>> I think overall you're pretty safe there. lol Me I'd be watching Mel, Arnold, Sly, Bruce and Charlton Heston movies, which come to think of it might be okay. I like a lot of the work they've done. And in the case of the first I grew up on their movies.
