Originally Posted By TexasTeaIII Well now it seems that Mel's career is officially in the dumps. Mr. Duece Bigalow refuses to work with him. As if Mel and this sorry actor(yes, he is an atrociously non talented Hollywood figure) would actually do a movie together. It's not that I enjoy Gibson's movies so much because I do not(although I liked the Patriot), it's just that who is this nothing Duece Bigalow to even stupidly presume he is good enough to exchange lines with an Acadamy Award winner.
Originally Posted By debtee Well I'm looking at pix of Mel's night out in this week's copy of Woman's Day and he looks very drunk and not at all someone who should have been driving a car! His eyes are red and swollen, he can barely stand up! He doesn't look like he was in control of his actions at all. I hope he can get help for his drinking problem!
Originally Posted By irishfan The two girls he met in the bar are on the front page of the Telegraph today. A very silly article, this is realy milking it.
Originally Posted By irishfan Oh, and dont get the wrong idea, nothing "happened" between Mel and the two women. He basically told them that his wife is a Saint.
Originally Posted By mele Yes, his wife is a saint but he still believes she is going to hell cos she's not Catholic.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice ^^Great... He says THAT about his own wife and we're supposed to believe him when he says he's not anti-semite. Surrrre, Gibson... Now pull the other one. He has a lot of problems... The drinking is just one of them.
Originally Posted By debtee Mele...I don't understand your comment above post 86?? Mel's wife is a devout catholic ( the entire clan in Australia is catholic) and is very dedicated to the church from everything I have ever read about them?? I think there is a difference in how this story is being presented in Australia to how it's being portrayed in America!
Originally Posted By Lisann22 That's how I know it to be also debtee, I read an article along time ago about their work with the Church.
Originally Posted By mele According to wikipedia.org: On June 7, 1980, Gibson married Robyn Moore, whom he initially met through a dating service. They have one daughter and six sons: Hannah (born 1980), twins Edward and Christian (born 1982), Willie (born 1985), Louis (born 1988), Milo (born 1990), and Tommy (born 1999). Rumors that Hannah was planning to become a nun were quashed by the family after initial mention in the media. Gibson is Roman Catholic and his wife is Anglican. Gibson never disapproved of her Anglican beliefs, saying that "true love knows no boundaries." He has also called her "my Rock of Gibraltar, only prettier." But he also holds to the Catholic doctrine of "Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus". When asked how this doctrine would affect his wife he said: “There is no salvation for those outside the Church, (and) I believe it. My wife is a saint. She’s a much better person than I am. Honestly. ... She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she believes in that stuff. And it’s just not fair if she doesn’t make it, she’s better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from the chair. I go with it.†[12] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Gibson" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M el_Gibson</a> I've also read a couple of other quotes from him about this.
Originally Posted By mele In one of the quotes he had said something about her not being "Catholic" so that's where I got that from. I think some Anglicans consider themselves Catholic, but not all Catholics agree.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Well, I'm not going to get into a religious debate but I have my own feelings about this. I can understand what Mel is saying. You summed up something that he said in simple kind of a cruel way and it's a bit more complex than that in my opinion. I have a belief also that if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior you will not go to Heaven period. So everyday I live with people I love and care about knowing in my faith they will not be with me in the afterlife. Not something I expect others to understand or agree with. I believe what is currently happening with him and the post above are completely separate and a bit unfair to judge him upon. He has an illness and I don't agree with everything he says religion wise but as a Christian I will pray that he finds his way.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 <<<You summed up something that he said in simple kind of a cruel way and it's a bit more complex than that in my opinion.>>> Wow that a confused bit of mumble jumble. That's what I get for posting after 12 hours at work. I meant was you summed up a complex thought in simple terms and it looks a bit cruel on his part. I don't believe that was his intent. No offense intended Mele.
Originally Posted By debtee Well Mele that is a surprise. The quote I'm reading in this week's woman's day says: "Friends say this damage to his reputation in no way compares to the toll it has taken on his family. A devout Catholic family, Mel and Robyn have seven kids, all of whom are sure to be saddened by Dad's downfall.
Originally Posted By debtee sorry I hit submit too early. I was just confused by this as the media has always portrayed them as a catholic family (see above) and yet if she is not catholic I can't see the point in the magazines doing this? Thw whole thing is bizarre.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer The Vatican doesn't believe that the members of the sect that Gibson belongs to are in communion with them. They broke with Rome years ago. Anglicans (and Lutherans and Methodists etc) believe that the catholic church is the entire body of believers, not just those who are under the authority of the Vatican. Catholic means universal, but the Roman Catholic church doesn't encompass the entire body of believers.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb Quick question for Mel. Since Jesus wasn't a member of the Catholic church (a Jew by all accounts) where is His soul these days?
Originally Posted By cstephens Can I just say that people nowadays seem to take what's written on wikipedia as gospel without any question whatsoever? It's just information that people are submitting - anyone can add anything they want. It's really not any more authoritative than what you might find in a thread on any discussion board where lots of people contribute. /cs
Originally Posted By mele That particular quote in wikipedia links to an msn article. That msn article states that the quote is from The New Yorker. Please let me know at what point this quote is legitimate enough to believe. Mel quite clearly states that his wife prays and believes in God and Jesus ("that stuff"). Sounds like she is a Christian and that must be why she goes to church with her family. It looks like she and her husband have decided to raise their children as Catholics. She might choose to go to a Catholic church every week but still might not be a true "member". (cmpaley went through an extreme amount of work to become a Catholic.) To me it sounds like Mel believes that ONLY members of Roman Catholic religion are going to be saved. Being a Christian who believes in Jesus isn't enough. In the New Yorker article, the interviewer told him that he was Protestant and asked if he could be saved and Mel replied: "I told Gibson that I am a Protestant, and asked whether his pre-Vatican II world view disqualified me from eternal salvation. He paused. “There is no salvation for those outside the Church,†he said." (Then he goes on to talk about his wife as I posted above.) Obviously we all have our own interpretations of his comment about his wife but it wasn't my intent to start a religious debate. I first heard of these comments a couple of years ago (not on wikipedia) and have always remembered them. Here is a link to a re-print of the original article: <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/980753/posts" target="_blank">http://www.freerepublic.com/fo cus/f-chat/980753/posts</a> Of course, if you don't believe this re-print, you can do a search for "The Jesus War" which was the name of the original article. It appears that The New Yorker does not have complete archives after Feb 2005.
