Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<However, on here both RoadTrip and VBDad have no problem sharing a negative opinion on those issues that bother them, just watch out though, if you bother to insult one of their sacred cows.>> In all fairness they are not the only ones with sacred cows and there are plenty of sacred cows around these parts. I know I have had my share of being criticized about anything I say regarding the Disney Dining Plan. When posting about staying at the Animal Kingdom Lodge for a week and being upable to dine at either Boma or Jiko the entire week since they were both booked up with DDP guests who booked half a year in advance, one poster basically called me a liar and Roadtrip mabye you can help me with this.. .what was your quote? "spreading distorted information about the Disney Dining Plan". I'm sure nothing personal was implied in that comment.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>vbdad and I tend to reserve it for only those occasions when we've become truly fed up.<< Not an excuse for poor behavior. And if it happens to you or Dave you would find me, as someone who has discussed things with you for the last 7 years, standing right there with you telling the poster to knock it off. >>that DVC'ers have brought the WalMart crowd to Disney Deluxe Resorts. Do you think NONE of that is personal? REALLY?<< Nope. >>You do it so often you never even notice it.<< I don't even think I have gone that far. I will clearly point out where I believe DVC has hurt the resort dynamic, how it has been used as a reason for Disney to skimp in other areas, how it affects existing resorts or transportation, how some members have a self-centered attitude. Never that it brings in a lower class people. I use to be a DVC Member. I don't for one second think the cost of entry into the program is akin to shopping at Walmart. I am pretty confident in what I have shared as my opinion in regards to DVC. Please don't lump me in with Spirit's Walmarting dissertations. >>And it doesn't feel very good to be on the other end for once, does it?<< Me? Are you kidding? I barely bat an eyelash. I laugh at what knuckleheads some folks are about getting worked into hysterics on a Disney message board. No, I get much more worked up when involved in a nice debate/discussion about how to run the parks, what is good, what is bad... No, the personal stuff is so odd that I immediately say a prayer of thanks that I am not at that level. Even when I was discussing things with jonvn! Talk about taking the claws out. >>Perhaps now that you have some inkling of how it feels, you will be somewhat less judgmental of those whose opinions differ from yours in the future.<< Hardly. >>But frankly, I'm not counting on it.<< Agreed. >>As with most of what we say, it will be dismissed as uninformed drivel by someone not intelligent enough to see the truth.<< No, it will be dismissed as uninformed drivel because some folks are too blinded by their own personal opinion to not realize that it isn't a universal truth when they state it as such. Too stubborn. Or, simply, that their opinion isn't grounded in reality. You have shared an opinion in the distant past that JII was not a good ride. Your opinion was noted, but your matter-of-fact application was drivel, because it was so far out of the mainstream that it couldn't be taken seriously. My opinion that FP is bad is valid, but my matter-of-fact application is backed up by the implications of its use. My opinion of FP is still fringe and not rooted in the reality of the universal appeal to guests of the FP system. The difference between you and I, is I know when my opinion isn't widely held or popularly agreed to. I willing to go into the machinations with you right now where I otherwise wouldn't, simply in my hope that you will finally understand that it isn't personal on my end. Why some others make it personal on there end (either side or POV) is beyond me. There are no sides with me. Either agree or disagree.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip << I don't even think I have gone that far. I will clearly point out where I believe DVC has hurt the resort dynamic, how it has been used as a reason for Disney to skimp in other areas, how it affects existing resorts or transportation, how some members have a self-centered attitude. Never that it brings in a lower class people. I use to be a DVC Member. I don't for one second think the cost of entry into the program is akin to shopping at Walmart. I am pretty confident in what I have shared as my opinion in regards to DVC. Please don't lump me in with Spirit's Walmarting dissertations.>> Even though my post directly followed yours, I was not referring to YOU... it was more the generic you... those in a group who seem to feel their opinions are just a little better than anyone else's. To make 100% CLEAR... ChiMike NEVER said anything about DVC bringing the Walmart crowd to Disney Deluxes. That was done by some other Spirit. I really am trying to not direct my posts against any specific person. I am talking about a group, and among that group is a wide variety of people... some really slam people who disagree with them, some not so much. But if you really feel you are a person who does not fall into the category I'm talking about, you probably aren't. Those who offend the worst probably know who they are also.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Got it, thanks for clearing that up. Since I was quoted, I read 'you' as ChiMike
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>OK, but I feel that nostalgia is deeper than just an attraction. It is a direct connection with what it was. A direct, this is Disney, operation. A direct link, albeit flimsy at the moment, to Walt himself. No, I feel it would be different, I feel it would have different internal vibes. Within a generation someone without any knowledge of history or tradition will pull the plug on Walt's freezer to charge up their I-phone...and that will be that.<<< I don't see that at all, when Walt has been dead all this time, and the company is run by others who don't care about the legacy. The history will ALWAYS be Walt's. Nothing can change that.n
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I'm glad a few here enjoy patting each other on the back about how discerning and sophisticated you are. To so many of us all this "cogent analysis" of everything wrong with Disney is a massive bore. But hey... if some want to participate in an intellectual circle jerk who am I to complain? The only part of it that really irritates me is the smug certainty of the "elite" that their point of view is the only truly informed one and that if the rest of us DOMs were just wise enough to sit at their feet and learn we could one day also obtain true enlightenment.<<< And this smug appraisal of others is any better? Sorry, but that REALLY offended me.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer And yes, OTHERS. Not just the concept of others, that's why it was offensive.
Originally Posted By leobloom I think some people would be happier if we just had an unlimited amount of threads on the magic of Disney's restrooms. Even I would admit the social media discussion was more interesting than the Fantasyland Quail Tiles.
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Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Even I would admit the social media discussion was more interesting than the Fantasyland Quail Tiles.<<< HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I would prefer a place where all kinds of opinion could presented without any judgments as to which type of opinion was intellectually superior to others. In the end, opinions are like belly-buttons. We've all got one, but yours isn't any better than mine, and vice-versa. The primary difference is that the self-anointed "purists" seem to feel their opinion is not only better, but intellectually and morally superior to those they deem pixie-dusted. That just ain't so.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I strongly object to my post #30 being removed. I'm sure it was because of the term "circle jerk", but used in the way I used it DOES NOT have sexual connotations and is pretty well accepted as the following: <<Pseudo-Intellectual Circle Jerk A verb where people who think they're smart, agree with each other and create ridiculous ideas. >> Thanks Spirit, for ratting me out. I have NEVER IN MY LIFE complained about any of your posts or those of the other usual suspects. Figures, though, that you would do it to me. You important guys hate to be challenged!
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>I think some people would be happier if we just had an unlimited amount of threads on the magic of Disney's restrooms. Even I would admit the social media discussion was more interesting than the Fantasyland Quail Tiles.<< I still want to get my hands on your book. The book review thread would easily hit 1000 posts. Don't disappoint though, I am seriously anticipating a proper multi-angle retrospective to Pete's Garage.
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Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Come on RoadTrip.... you know there are plenty of bombthrowers around here. Why get drawn into it? In some ways it reminds of me Dodge City..... everyone looking for a fight.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper This is getting hilarious. Love when people take forums seriously. <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/auciker/internet_serious_business3.jpg" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...ess3.jpg</a>
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Originally Posted By leobloom >> I still want to get my hands on your book. The book review thread would easily hit 1000 posts. Don't disappoint though, I am seriously anticipating a proper multi-angle retrospective to Pete's Garage. << You kidding? The Pete's Garage section will have Tony Baxter concept drawings and a few scratch and sniff pictures.
